@Berean,

You: I believe that Christ fulfilled all that was written in ISAIAH 61:1

Me: But the passage has nothing to do with Jesus; so you believe a lie…understood! What I find fascinating is you believe something you’re unable to explain.

If Jesus was the fulfillment of this, then Jesus would have brought the message God was going to do t…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You: DT, I referenced an existing thread on the topic you want to discuss and after my post to you I immediately went to that thread and responded to you.

Me: Nowhere in your responses did you inform me you were posting in the other thread; this is the first hearing of it. Telling me to go to that thread isn’t the same as “I posted a res…[Read more]

@Berean,

You: For Jesus, when he read in the synagogue, he read the scroll that was in that synagogue.
This is what Luke relates.

Me: The point Berean is Jesus wouldn’t have been reading from a Greek translation in a synagogue. This is a corruption of the text and you don’t question it. Never mind the fact “Jesus” completely takes out of context…[Read more]

@Carmel,

YAWN!! Everything you wrote is an extrapolation of your mind and not in the word of God. No where is it written Abraham had ED; created in your mind.

God never spoke to man in riddles; riddles are what you are creating in your mind.

Still no evidence, except in your mind, that God was the one who impregnated Sarah.

Joseph is of the…[Read more]

@Carmel,

You: I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!

Me: You don’t tell me much of anything except foolishness.

You: IF GOD WANTED THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATES SARAI, WHY DID HE WAIT FOR ABRAM TO BE NINETY-NINE, AND NOT BEFORE WHEN HE WAS DEFINITELY FERTILE, THE FACT THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATED HAGAR?

Me: This has to be one of the most obtuse s…[Read more]

@Berean,

You: I just pointed out that the Septuagint was used by Luke, so that’s all.

Me: Are you okay with a corrupt version being used as truth? The question still remains unanswered, why would Jesus be reading from a Greek translation and not the original Hebrew? This doesn’t cause you pause and question the veracity of what Luke wrote?

@Jodi,

Didn’t realize you controlled and set the tone for this forum of “believers” only; sounds like a country club.

The discussion of who or what the “word” is in John 1 has been going on in this thread for over 20 years and there is still zero consensus of who/what the “word” really is and if we’re being honest, your religious beliefs are s…[Read more]

@Berean,

Nice try; HOWEVER, wasn’t it you who stated the Septuagint was a corrupt translation?!?! Since you believe the only true translation is the King James, why are you using the Septuagint in this particular situation? Explain why the Septuagint is the only translation that uses this language in Isaiah? Even the translators of the King James…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Rely to post 946305

Read Isa 61:1 and Luke 4:18 passages in parallel and please tell me what Jesus was reading. It appears Jesus changed/added to the Isaiah passage by putting in “And recovery of sight to the blind,”

Who’s the “me” speaking in the Isaiah passage?

Where did that come from?!?

@Jodi,

You: At this point, as you continue to show your unbelief and want to debate to that unbelief I believe you really should be moving to the Skeptics forum and look to discuss this over there.

Me: So my “unbelief” is not believing the same as you or no longer believing in christianity?!? This “unbelief” in Jesus being the messiah is founded…[Read more]

@Carmel,
You: I REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN MY POST: 946277 TRUTH HURTS!!!!
Me: You have to present truth first.

You: YOU SIMPLY CONCLUDED THAT GOD IS NOT CAPABLE OF BEING HIMSELF THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF HIS SON IN THE LINE OF DAVID, THE LINE OF SOLOMON, OR A DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM, EVEN WITHOUT THE LEAST INVOLVEMENT OF THE SEXUAL REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS…[Read more]

@Danny,

Prove Jesus is the messiah spoken of in the Tanakh; the fact Jesus isn’t a biological descendant of David and Solomon is the most glaring evidence that eliminates him as being the true messiah. The last I checked the spirit isn’t human and both Matthew and Luke tell us Jesus’ father is the spirit.

Settle this with facts!

@Danny,

Once again you have brought your spiritual intellect; proving once again you don’t know why you believe what you believe.

What does freemasonry have to do with anything?!?! Noahide is what I would identify with and freemasonry and Noahide are not the same; in fact, I would say they’re polar opposites. Look up what Noahide is; you might l…[Read more]

@Danny,

You: Many of your objections can be answered by the biblical fact that Jesus Christ will come again to start the thousand-year reign here on this earth. In this time period many prophecies will be fulfilled. You never thought about that?

Me: It’s what I used to believe, until I started verifying what I was told is “truth.”

Explain Isaia…[Read more]

@Danny,

Did you noticed “hell” (a place of damnation/eternal torment) isn’t mentioned in the Tanakh (aka OT)? Do I “fear” Hell as understood by modern religion, NO. You obviously read my comment to Gene, did Jesus fulfill all these requirements? Can Jesus be the “messiah” if one of these requirements hasn’t been fulfilled? Think my friend, do y…[Read more]

@Gene,

What of the following did Jesus fulfill? Why do I reject Jesus as the messiah (the anointed one)? If you claim this will happen when Jesus returns, please tell me where God said the messiah was to come twice. Don’t think I’ve “missed” any “mark.”

First of all, he must be Jewish 
“…you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: IF you think Jesus isn’t the true Messiah then you have completely missed the mark.

Me: Explain. I have presented information you flat out reject or just ignore because it doesn’t align with what you believe. You refuse to answer my questions concerning the validity of Jesus being the messiah.

You: even the Jews know when the Mes…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Me: You then bring up Abraham and Sarah and presume in Gen 21:1 (which has nothing to do with the Messiah)

You: MUSTN’T THE JEWISH MESSIAH BE A SON OF ABRAHAM???

Me: Was the promise given to Abraham the Messiah would come from him? NO! However, technically the Messiah would have to be a “son” of Abraham as he is the father of the natio…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Me: We cannot forget it was the spirit is who impregnated Mary and NOT of the seed of David. Once again, you are justifying lies.

You: SO IS THAT HOW YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD WHO IS OMNIPOTENT???

Me: No!! I believe the words God spoke to David, when HE said David’s lineage will continue through Solomon. HIS greatness have nothing to do w…[Read more]

@Gene,

Continuing with the accusations of not understanding?!?! For 40 years I walked under the “christian banner”, read the bible, prayed, attended “church”, when the moment presented spoke on the “saving power” of the Jesus, did all the “christiany” things christians do. To tell me I “don’t understand” is pure foolishness; I understand all to w…[Read more]