@Berean,

it is spoken here of God and his Son

Where?!?!?

Prov 30:22 “under a slave when he becomes king, and a fool when he is satisfied with food;”

Prov 30:32 “If you have been foolish by exalting yourself, and if you have devised evil, put your hand to your mouth.”

You get the Jesus out of these two passages…WOW!!!! Tell me you quoted the…[Read more]

@Berean,

Meanwhile, you’re not addressing Genesis 1:26. It’s either about angels or the Son of God.

We have already had this conversation, mind you it was over a year ago; but still. Please READ the following:

Gen 1:26, Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over t…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Explain what naming someone or being a parent to a child has to do with anything. You keep bringing this up as if it provides concrete proof for the Jesus being a decedent of Solomon. Did you skip reading what I provided in my last comment to you concerning adoption?

Adoption is allowed in Judaism; however, the only inheritance…[Read more]

@Berean,

Your first BIG MISTAKE is believing, according to Genesis 1:26, that the person(s) to whom God speaks are angels. Angels, good or bad, DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CREATE LIKE GOD. ONLY GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON HAVE THIS POWER.

If this is my “first BIG MISTAKE”, yours is believing the Jewish bible was meant for the christian world. You…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

You still aren’t reading the passages I have given you; reading them will fix every the pollution of christianity. Let’s go over what you wrote:

In Jewish tradition, naming a child was closely tied to the father’s legal role, and biblical examples show that the act of naming was considered a paternal responsibility that estab…

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@Lightenup,

If, as you claim, Jesus is a demi-god, half god/half human then, according to your idea, the human side of him would be biologically related to David.

Demigod: “A male being, often the offspring of a god and a mortal, who has some but not all of the powers of a god.” The Jesus was conceived by the spirit of G-d thru a mortal woman. Cou…[Read more]

@Berean,

As we read in the New Testament, Jesus Christ had already revealed himself as Shiloh (the Messiah)

Except, the Jesus canNOT be The Messiah as he isn’t the descendant/seed of David and Solomon. Your NT explicitly states he was conceived by the spirit and NOT a man. G-d said the Messiah was to be of the line of David, how does no one see t…[Read more]

@Berean,

Just because Ezekiel mentions the temple “in the midst of them” does not imply “the building of a third temple, not at all.

You may want to read Ezk chapters 40-48; sounds to me like a physical temple.

This is the Holy City, the Heavenly Jerusalem, which will descend from heaven to settle on Earth, which will be renewed and inhab…

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@Lightenup,

To say that Mary’s Son isn’t a biological descendant of David because He didn’t have a biological father isn’t reasonable. The child was to be the seed of the woman and from a virgin.

Unfortunately the Jesus fails on being a member of the tribe of Judah; biologically he isn’t connected to the line of David because the spirit is the on…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Continuing on:

using the Tanak alone, this is how some will treat the messiah which perhaps you yourself may be included:
no beauty that we should desire him
despised and rejected
not esteemed
The stone the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.
They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him.

The first…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Continuing on:

Once as the lamb of God who was sacrificed for mankind’s sins. And returns as a reigning king to setup the Kingdom of God on earth.

What verse states the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind from the Tanakh? I believe I asked you this question once before and never received a response.

Read Exodus 32:30-35,…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Unfortunately the Jesus fails on being a member of the tribe of Judah; biologically he isn’t connected to the line of David because the spirit is the one who fathered him (Luke 1:26-35, Matt 1:18). It is of the seed of David the Messiah is to be born of (2 Sam 7:12-17, I Chron 11-14). Lineage is associated with the father and not t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

in Luke 5.8, Peter says to Jesus, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man” which is simply an expression of awe and unworthiness. It has nothing to do with being cast away from God forever. When Jesus says it, he is also not always talking about the final judgement.

Not the verse I was referencing I was speaking on Matt 7:21-23 whe…[Read more]

@Berean,

Oh really? He’s not born yet!

The true Messiah may well be born today. When will we know?

How do you know he’s not born yet? Can you prove it with the Tanack?

A better question would be has he been revealed; his birth isn’t the focal point in the Tanakh, what he will do and what will happen when he arrives is. Please read again what I w…[Read more]

@Berean,

You’re not answering my question.

Who is this Son of Man to you? Yes, the Messiah, OK, but what name do you give him?

How can I name someone who hasn’t come yet!??!!?? I suppose we could call him “Bob”; but the wouldn’t be very Jewish.

@Berean,

I already said who the one that “looks like the son of man” is. It IS a reference to the Messiah; it IS NOT a reference to the Jesus. Can you prove the Jesus is the true Messiah spoken of in the Tanakh; did the Jesus fulfill all that was said the Messiah was to do when he was here; if the Jesus missed a single requirement spoken abo…[Read more]

@Berean,

Not following your passage comparison of Exodus and Daniel; one speaks of man not being able to fully see G-d’s glory and the other is a vision/dream. You still haven’t explained how this would be about the Jesus.

What enabled him to survive before God?

It was a dream.

The bigger and only question one must ask, did the Jesus fulfill wha…[Read more]

@Lightenup

I believe that the translation of NASB1995 is the most accurate and is what I use. I also believe that Isa 9:6 should be translated as in the NASB1995:

So, because you “believe” the 1995 NAS translation is the more accurate translation, it is?!!? What about the the Hebrew; is it less accurate? I would reason the Hebrew would be the mos…[Read more]

@Berean,

I only show you that pre-incarnate Jesus is very present in OT time

What you’ve shown is your belief; you have given no proof, just religious doctrine and interpretation. Christianity teaches the Jesus is the “angel of the Lord” spoken of in the Tanakh; so who where all the other angels in heaven if they weren’t the Lord’s angels?…[Read more]

@Berean,

Nothing like continuing to evade and dodge the question; are you afraid to say the name of the Jesus? Are you ashamed to proclaim his name? Is it because you know none of the verses support that belief when placed in the context they are written? So sad!

Isaiah is speaking of a son that has already been born…Hezekiah and NOT the…[Read more]