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    @Jodi,

    You once told me the faith you’re apart of, I looked up what the core beliefs are and looking at the “Doctrines to be Rejected” I found this; “We reject the doctrine – that Joseph was the actual father of Jesus.” Yet, you say the Jesus was artificially inseminated making Joseph the actual father of the Jesus; which is it? Please explain,…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    Interesting response, I mentioned nothing about “worship”; apparently you have questioned whether or nor not you should be worshiping the Jesus since it was your immediate response to my idolatry statement. I was referring to the Jesus being a “mediator” between God and man (did you catch the “between”) and the “only way to the Father is…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    You are free to believe whatever you want, makes no difference to me; but, can you prove the Jesus is the “root and offspring” of David and Solomon with the Tanakh? Can you prove the Jesus is the true Messiah (link 946290 when and how will the Jesus accomplish what is listed)?

    Again, Luke traces the Jesus’ lineage thru David’s son Nat…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    Me: Are you saying the spirit took sperm from Joseph and planted it into Mary thru artificial insemination? Can you back that up with evidence? It sounds more like speculation and justification than a truth; in all my years in the church I have never heard this scenario.

    You: I can understand that this is something you’ve not heard of…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    I know I have posted the Jeremiah passage before, but let’s do it again and see if we can clear up some confusion.

    30 Thus says Yahweh: “Record this man as childless, a man who will not succeed in his days, for no man from his offspring will succeed him, sitting on the throne of David and ruling again in Judah.”

    No where in the passa…[Read more]

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    @Jodi

    You: It is NOT the Spirit that Fathered Jesus, it is the Spirit by it’s power that impregnated Mary with a biological son of Joseph.

    Me: Are you saying the spirit took sperm from Joseph and planted it into Mary thru artificial insemination? Can you back that up with evidence? It sounds more like speculation and justification than a truth;…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    In your post #946585 you make an unprovable claim the spirit used “in vivo” fertilization to impregnate Mary. Is there any evidence, other than speculation, to support what you said?

    You also mentioned “‘almah’ is to be a virgin period”, I think you need to go back and research that again because you appear to have missed something.…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    Please quote the passage where the curse from Jeremiah was lifted from Jeconiah. To use Zerubbabel as your “proof” the curse was lifted is utterly false because he never served as KING, he was appointed governor and thus was under the ruling king. God never said Jeconiah’s descendants would never succeed for HIS purpose; HE said they would…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    You say in post #946575 that you “believe” God planned dual fulfillment’s; BUT, when did God say any prophecy had a “dual purpose”? I’ve never read that anywhere in the Tanakh; sounds like it was created by man to justify their religion.

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    @Jodi,

    You: Read Matthew 1 carefully! He is specifically stating that he is giving us the genetic lineage of Jesus for the purpose to show how he is biologically a son of Abraham and David.

    Me: Except Matthew states “18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came t…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    Quickly covering your Luke citation, that is one BIG nope! You quote I Chron 17:11 as proof and all you’ve proven is you believe what you were told to believe. There are three passages you need to look up as they parallel each other and reveal who the “son” God is speaking of; sorry to break it to you, it’s not your Jesus – it’s Solomon.…[Read more]

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    @Jodi,

    You: Read Matthew 1 carefully! He is specifically stating that he is giving us the genetic lineage of Jesus for the purpose to show how he is biologically a son of Abraham and David.

    Me: Except we have King Jechoniah listed in this “lineage”; one who God said was to be remembered as childless. This would mean no descendant if his wou…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    What does the Ezekiel passage of God raising a valley of dry bones have to do with being of the seed of David? Didn’t those “dry bones” once have a biological father? Clothing the bones in skin doesn’t make God their father, what kind of idiotic reasoning is this?!?!?

    How is physical sex an act of Satan? God created it so mankind…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    Do you see how you still haven’t answered my question concerning one verse, Isa 7:14; how is it a “prophecy” foretelling the birth of the Jesus as the writer of Matthew claims? Truthfully answer this one question and explain to me how the writer’s claim is truth and not a lie.

    I see things in black and white; there is no gray. This one v…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    I highly recommend you read Matthew 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. In Greek “Peter” means “petros” and could you imagine it means “rock” (Strong’s 4074). Yet, you understand this passage to mean “The power of God”, to “reveal “, in the mind…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    Point made and confirmed; you have no idea why you believe what you believe and are simply following the flow of what others have told you.

    You: If you reject Jesus as the true “messiah/ anointed one” of God, And reject Paul and the other apostles as true representatives of Jesus and God the Father, why are you even here?

    Me: Why are you…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    Variants I have no issue with; changing what is said, I have an issue with. Twisting and misusing what is said, I have an issue with. I have given examples of all this corruption in your NT, and you still accept the lies as truth and chastise me saying I shouldn’t “throw out the entire text” but should accept both the truths and lies withi…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    Matt 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.”

    Luke 1: “34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    How can the Jesus be the “root and offspring of David” when he was born of the spirit? You do understand what the “seed” of someone is…right?? I have no issue in “denying” this claim as I understand the difference between being the “seed” of someone and “conceived of the spirit”…do you?

    You: You have drawn your own conclusions , you h…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer,

    You: the messiah came to fulfil many things spoken of and ritualised.

    Me: I have asked over and over again if Jesus accomplished what the Tanakh said the Messiah was to do when he comes, and even provided references from the Tanakh asking if Jesus accomplished what was said. None have provided an answer.

    You: Now we live in a time…[Read more]

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