@ Carmel,

You: “THE WORD” IN John 1:1 is not just a word but also A SPIRIT, to be precise A TRIUNE SPIRIT!

Substantiate this claim scripturally and can you do it without John’s writings? Can you substantiate this claim using the old testament? Since the new testament didn’t exist for 300-400 after Christ, the old testament was what the apostle…[Read more]

@ Carmel,

You: “read very attentively my post, and ponder.” ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!

This is the first and only time I will say this, if you continue to treat me as an idiot because I don’t believe in a doctrine the same as you, I will ignore everything you post and there will be zero recognition of anything you respond to me with! I have dealt…[Read more]

@ Carmel,
For curiosity sake, what do you do for a living (if retired, what did you do prior) and what faith do you most identify with?

Not to sound like I am prying or to seem I am demanding of you information that I wouldn’t give. For a living I am self employed running a home repair business, along with a side gig making custom wood pieces. I…[Read more]

@ Gene,
Thank you for your kind words, I am just someone searching for truth in a world filled with lies. No idea how what I share will be received, time will tell. 🙂

@ Berean,

Since Jesus was with God at the foundation of the world and is the one God is speaking with, that would mean there were two separate beings of the “godhead” in heaven at creation. Having two beings does not support the monotheistic faith the Jews have? Deut 6:4, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord”. However, jumping to John…[Read more]

@ Berean,

That’s a good question! Was man made in the image of God and the angels? Verse 27 would suggest no, as man was made specifically in God’s own image (and likeness) and not the angles. The point of the comment was to show God does interact with the heavenly body and the “us” and “our” (with a Hebraic understanding) was believed to be the…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Let’s look a little deeper in to John 17:5

“Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed.” Does this mean Jesus was with God before creation or is Jesus stating God foreknew the outcome even before creation and was part of this greater “plan” for mankind? I’m thinking th…[Read more]

@ Jodi,

Thank you for the welcome. This has been an amazing and an eye opening journey. I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I do have a lot thoughts and even more questions. Looking forward to participating in the conversations here and possibly offering up some new thoughts in the process.

No one gave a concise answer to why John didn’t just say “Jesus” in the opening of the book, why use “word”. Do our biases add to confusion and make it more difficult to understand? I think the reason for no concise answer is we really don’t know why John wrote the beginning like he did – I do have a thought for later. I believe, as Gene does, tha…[Read more]

WOW!!!!

This debate concerning who the “word” is in John 1:1 has been going on for almost 20 years, almost 24,000 comments, and still no agreement of who or what the “word” is! We have this side pitted against that side, with both sides claiming they are correct. This is insane! It’s like we have traveled back in time to 325AD and are sitting at…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Thank you for the welcome. The trinity has been a contention for me starting about 6 months ago. Prior to that I never questioned it. The question I asked Carmel about the salvation aspect was because this was something taught and believed in a “church” I attended and has prompted me to question the truthfulness of the trinity…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Thank you for your response. The “not really” however confuses me. So in some aspect it does matter whether we believe in the trinity concerning our salvation?

@ Carmel,

I realize I am joining this discussion late; however, the topic of the “trinity” has been one that has troubled me recently.

So I must begin by asking: do you believe our salvation is dependent upon believing the trinity?

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