Gene, I agree that God the Father is the ultimate Saviour.
He gave His Son Jesus Christ.
But Jesus Christ is our Saviour, too.
Acts 5:31 “Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”
Do you agree with that Bible verse?

God bless

Gene Balthrop,
“And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.” John 4:42

God bless

Gene,
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:14

God bless

@t8

Hi Proclaimer,

I want to apologize for being harsh on you.
I’m sorry.
At the moment I’m not sure what’s biblical –
Trinitarianism, Binitarianism or Unitarianism?
I cannot tell. Sorry for my back and forth.
I have to pray and study until I’m sure.
That’s why I will take a long break and only comment again
when I’m 100% sure.

So long!
God…[Read more]

@t8

Proclaimer,

You said:

If Jesus is God, then Jesus has a Son. Because God has a Son.

That’s your typical word game.
Let’s apply your logic.
God calls His Son “O God” in Hebrews 1:8.
So according to your logic God calls His Son “O Myself” in Hebrews 1:8.

Do you see how absurd that is?
Your game doesn’t work, Proclaimer.

@t8

Oh, don’t play dumb!
You are always saying that Jesus is not God, he is the Son of God.
But Trinitarians do believe that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten Son of God.
You can read it again.
Here is a quote from the Nicene Creed as adopted in 325:
“And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father the only-begotten; that i…[Read more]

@t8

Hi Proclaimer,

It’s time to stop the false accusations against Trinitarians.
Trinitarians do believe that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten Son of God.
Here is a quote from the Nicene Creed as adopted in 325:
“And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of…[Read more]

@mikeboll64

Hi Mike,

You asked:

Danny, are those who believe Jesus is the Christ literal sons of God because they are begotten of God?
Are those who are begotten of God not creations of God because they are begotten of God?

Jesus Christ was no created, but begotten.
He is in fact, the only begotten Son of God. (John 1:14, John 1:18; John 3:16,…[Read more]

@mikeboll64

Hi Mike,

There are many sons of God, I agree, but
Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God (John 3:16; 1 John 4:9)

Hey Guys,

I don’t remember the questions you sent to me before
the break I had.
If you have any remaining questions then please ask me again.
Thank you and God bless!

Hi Berean,

You:
Angels who have never sinned are created beings and they are LITTERAL SONS .
You do not think ?

Me:
Well I think they are not literal sons in the
sense that they are not begotten.

Blessings.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

You said:

I believe the Son is the only begotten literal son of God. I have been saying that for 28+ years. Jesus is begotten, not created. A created son would not be a literal son.

Yes. I believe that too.

@mikeboll64

Hi Mike,

You said that Jesus was created.

You are wrong.
Jesus was not created but begotten.
He is in fact the only begotten Son of the Father, and as such,
He has the same essential nature as His Father.
This means that Jesus is also deity—God.

@t8

Proclaimer,

Is Jesus Christ your God?

A simple ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ will suffice.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

You asked:

Danny and Berean,
The three of us are agreeing on both the Father and Son being deity and identified as YHVH, correct?

I agree.

I’m glad you agree, Berean.

@t8

Hi Proclaimer,

Jesus and His Father are both deity not just divine.

I believe this is what John 1:1 teaches.
“what God was, the Word was”

The terms “divinity” and “deity” can be confusing. In most cases the terms have identical meanings.
However, some have used “divine” to refer to an angel, since it came from God.
However, an angel would…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Thanks.
You asked:

That which is begotten of the eternal One is part of the family of YHVH and is every bit a YHVH as the eternal One that begat Him.
Would you agree to that?

Yes, I agree. That’s the natural conclusion.

You also said:

That which was begotten of Elvis Presley is part of the Presley family and is every bit a…

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@t8

Hi Proclaimer,

Jesus is God by nature.
I agree with that.
But what’s then the conclusion.
Listen to what Irenaeus also said:
“Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.”
(Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.10.1.)
Is Jesus Christ your God?

Now to your question.
I believe 7 is right.
7.…[Read more]

@t8 @genebalthrop @Lightenup @berean
@gadam123 @edj @mikeboll64

Hey guys! and everyone else I didn’t mention,

Irenaeus wrote around AD 185 and mentions John 1:1 five times.
In one reference he comments, “‘and the Word was God,’ of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.”
Irenaeus understood Jesus as more than “a god” or a divine bein…[Read more]