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ParticipantPope Leo XIV Tells Protestants: “The More United Christians are, the More Effective will be Our Witness to Christ”
Pope Leo XIV is rapidly advancing his prophetic role in uniting the churches under a single spiritual authority through his urgent calls for deeper fraternity among Christians. It is the fast-tracked fulfillment of Revelation’s warnings about a global religious alliance led by Rome. The ecumenical movement—championed by the Papacy—is not a harmless invitation to unity but rather the false unity spoken of in Revelation 13 and 17, where church and state become entwined in a system that will ultimately enforce man-made laws over God’s commandments.
Pope Leo XIV sent a message on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of the Anabaptist movement, in which he encouraged Catholics and Anabaptists to advance reconciliation through dialogue, unity, and love. The Pope emphasized the importance of maintaining a united Christian witness in his greeting to the Anabaptists and Mennonites—a denomination with the Anabaptist tradition.
On May 29, 2025, the Holy See Press Office published the Pope’s message to the Anabaptists:
• “As you gather to commemorate 500 years of the Anabaptist movement, I cordially greet all of you, dear friends, in the first words spoken by the risen Jesus: ‘Peace be with you!’ (John 20:19).” [1]
• “The motto chosen for your celebration, ‘The Courage to Love’, reminds us, above all, of the need for Catholics and Mennonites to make every effort to live out the commandment of love, the call to Christian unity, and the mandate to serve others. It likewise points to the need for honesty and kindness in reflecting on our common history, which includes painful wounds and narratives that affect Catholic-Mennonite relationships and perceptions up to the present day.” [1]
• “Our ongoing journey of healing, and of deepening fraternity, has a vital role to play, for the more united Christians are the more effective will be our witness to Christ the Prince of Peace in building up a civilization of loving encounter.” [1]
The term “anabaptists” literally means re-baptizer and this branch of Protestants encouraged the Reformation to embrace further reforms such as adult baptism, voluntary church membership, and the separation of church and state. These were faithful men and women who were seeking to continue in the work of restoring Bible truth. Tragically, they have embraced Rome’s call for universal fraternity—a unity that sacrifices truth on the altar of conformity. In doing so, they are preparing the world to worship “the dragon which gave power unto the beast … saying, Who is like unto the beast?” (Revelation 13:4). This is not the unity Christ prayed for, grounded in truth and obedience, but a counterfeit alliance that aligns perfectly with the prophetic warnings of Revelation.The entire world is being swept into a deadly deception, drunk on the wine of Babylon as foretold in Revelation 17:2. This prophetic “wine” is nothing less than the intoxicating mixture of false doctrines, ecumenical compromise, and spiritual adultery that corrupts the mind and blinds the soul to the truth of God’s Word. What we are witnessing is not harmless cooperation among churches but a bold and calculated push toward global religious unity—one that tramples on the distinct truths of Scripture in the name of false peace.
This is the trajectory of end-time prophecy: the rapid healing of the deadly wound (Revelation 13:3) and the restoration of Papal supremacy, aided by Protestants who have forgotten the Reformation. The ecumenical movement is not a move of the Holy Spirit—it is a masterpiece of deception preparing the world to receive the mark of the beast. The urgency is real. The final crisis is nearing. God’s people must awaken, stand firm on the everlasting gospel, and refuse to drink from the cup of Babylon.
Sources
[1] https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/messages/pont-messages/2025/documents/20250523-messaggio-movimento-anabattista.html
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May 24, 2025 at 11:42 pm#947374Berean
ParticipantHi
Penguins have an almost perfectly streamlined body profile that’s ideal for chasing fish. In fact, the penguin has the most hydrodynamic body shape ever gauged. A swimming chinstrap penguin seven inches wide slices through the water with less resistance than a quarter-sized pebble. These sleek bodies also help penguins snag prey and escape predators like leopard seals and killer whales.
Not only are penguins able to swim faster than a man can run, their efficient shape enables them to travel long distances. Emperor penguins, for instance, have been known to cover almost 1,000 miles on foraging trips that last up to a month, swimming more than 40 miles per day. Not bad for a bird! Penguins also have other features that make them highly capable fishers. Their tongues are armed with sharp, backward-facing barbs that help prevent prey from escaping.
Penguins are also world-class divers. In the 1970s, dive recording devices attached to emperor penguins revealed the penguins were shown to be diving to depths of at least 1,755 feet in search of food. That’s astonishing when you consider that is much deeper than a nuclear submarine likes to cruise. It’s a mystery how these birds survive at such depths. At 1,200 feet, for instance, the birds are being compressed by 40 times the pressure they feel at the surface.
Penguin’s eyes are another marvel. Their pupils can adjust much more than a cat, dilating from a pinhole to the size of a quarter. This enables sharp vision in both the pitch-black depths and at the blinding bright Antarctic surface. This is also an amazing accomplishment, since air and water demand very different kinds of sight.
But penguins apparently make the switch smoothly by using fine eye muscles to bend and warp the lens in their eyes to correct for differences between air and water vision. Penguins can even see into the ultraviolet range of the electromagnetic spectrum.
The Bible teaches that a Christian must be able to maintain spiritual vision with their eyes on heaven while still living in the dark world below. Moses warned the Israelites, “Only take heed to yourself, and diligently keep yourself, lest you forget the things your eyes have seen, and lest they depart from your heart all the days of your life. And teach them to your children and your grandchildren” (Deuteronomy 4:9). We will keep our vision clear in the world when we keep our eyes on Christ and the ways He has led us.
KEY BIBLE TEXTS
Mine eyes are ever toward the LORD; for he shall pluck my feet out of the net. Psalm 25:15🙏
May 21, 2025 at 5:17 pm#947373Berean
ParticipantRepublican Lawmakers Urge Speaker Mike Johnson to Invite Pope Leo XIV to Address a Joint Session of Congress, Saying, “It Would Be Valuable to Hear His Holiness’s Vision”
On May 19, 2025, Republican members of Congress signed a petition urging House Speaker Mike Johnson to extend a formal invitation to the first American Pope to address a joint session of Congress in Washington, D.C. The petition frames the invitation as a “valuable” opportunity for Congress to seek “spiritual and moral guidance” from the Holy See. Republican lawmakers assert that having the Pope speak before both chambers would be “a great benefit to Congress and the American people.”
Sadly, many will view this merely as a gesture of unity and respect for the so-called moral leadership of the papacy, but the Word of God reveals it as a sign of deeper prophetic significance. According to Revelation 13, such an event marks a critical step toward the fulfillment of prophecy in which the United States—symbolized as a Protestant nation—forms an alliance with the papal power. This alliance is seen as laying the foundation for the federal government to gradually embed Roman Catholic doctrines and moral values into American law, ultimately leading to the enforcement of religious mandates, such as Sunday observance. This convergence of church and state is viewed as a direct precursor to the global enforcement of the “mark of the beast”—a final crisis in which freedom of conscience and civil liberty will be replaced by religious tyranny on a worldwide scale.
The letter asking Mike Johnson to invite the Pope reads as follows:
• “Dear Mr. Speaker, We respectfully ask you to consider inviting the newly-elected Pope, His Holiness Pope Leo XIV, to address Joint Session of Congress. We as Catholic celebrate the first-ever American pope and hope you will consider an invitation to him. It would be valuable for Congress to hear His Holiness’s vision for the role of Catholic faith in the world and how he plans to lead the over 1.4 billion Catholics worldwide and the many others who look to the Holy See for spiritual and moral guidance.” [1]
• “A native of the Chicago area, Pope Leo XIV made history as the first-ever American pope, and unprecedented feat that makes America’s light shine even brighter across the globe. Before his election, Leo XIV spent nearly half a century serving the church in various roles at home and abroad. Hearing his address would be of great benefit for Congress and the American people.” [1]
• “In a time of increasing religious intolerance, we welcome the vision and leadership of Pope Leo XIV and respectfully request that you invite his holiness to address a joint session of Congress this calendar year.” [1]
• “Sincerely, Jeff Hurd (Republican), Charles J. “Chuck” Fleischmann (Republican), Mariannette J. Miller-Meeks, M.D. (Republican), Michael T. McCaul (Republican), Don Bacon (Republican), Earl L. “Buddy” Carter (Republican), Tom Barrett (Republican), Mark B. Messmer (Republican), Glenn Grothman (Republican), Darin LaHood (Republican), Michael V. Lawler (Republican), Rob Bresnahan, Jr. (Republican), Carlos A. Gimenez (Republican), Eric A. “Rick” Crawford (Republican).” [1]
For the Pope of Rome to address a joint session of Congress is deeply significant and concerning. Revelation 13 describes the United States as initially upholding principles of civil and religious liberty (“two horns like a lamb”) but eventually speaking “as a dragon” (Revelation 13:11). This change represents a departure from our founding values of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” The concern of inviting the Pope—a global religious figure and head of a religious-political system long associated in Protestant eschatology with the first beast—is that the U.S. is symbolically aligning itself with papal authority. This move is viewed as a step toward fulfilling Revelation 13:12, which says the second beast, or the US, would “exercise all the power of the first beast,” Rome, by compelling global worship.Such an event would only pave the way in which U.S. lawmakers would increasingly pass laws to reflect Roman Catholic doctrinal positions. This alignment is believed to prepare the way for the enforcement of a global religious observance—most notably Sunday sacredness—better known as the “mark of the beast” (Revelation 13:16-17). This call being made to invite the Pope to give his vision about the world to our US lawmakers is not only a political gesture, but as a prophetic milestone in the fulfillment of end-time events.
“The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance” (Great Controversy, p. 592).
Sources[1] https://x.com/RepMMM/status/1924802205753774530
May 16, 2025 at 7:12 pm#947370Berean
ParticipantWe are in the time of the sixth head of the first beast of Revelation 13. Very soon, the seventh head (the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) will take control of the world and force the entire world to worship and submit to the papacy.
This is what is stated in Revelation 13:11-18Rev.14:
9)……If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.May 12, 2025 at 6:47 pm#947366Berean
Participant@ Proclaimer
40] And the fourth kingdom will be strong as iron, for iron breaks and subdues all things, and like iron that breaks all these, it will be broken and shattered.
[41] And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potter’s clay and part of iron, the kingdom will be DIVIDED but in it will be the strength of iron, for you saw iron mixed with clay.The Roman Empire is described by IRON
👉And here(V.41) we have AGAIN IRON. NUT WITH CLAY
SO WE REMAIN IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
CLAY AND IRON, THE TEXT TELLS US, MEANS
FIRSTLY THAT THE ROMAN EMPIRE WILL BE DIVIDED.BY WHOM????
Think carefully about this BEFORE concluding without a solid basis.
May 10, 2025 at 10:00 pm#947347Berean
ParticipantThe Ancient Sacrificial System Found Its Fulfillment in Christ
1. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ. Exodus 12:3-14; 1 Corinthians 5:7. TDOC 57.2
2. The continual burnt offering was a type of Christ. Exodus 29:39-42; Hebrews 9:25, 26. TDOC 57.3
3. The sin offering was a type of Christ. Leviticus 4:32, 33; Isaiah 53:6, 7; John 1:29. TDOC 57.4
4. The tabernacle was itself a type of the incarnate Christ. Exodus 25:8; 29:43-45; 40:34; John 1:14; 2:19-21. TDOC 57.5
5. All other ceremonial observances were as shadows of the reality Christ. Colossians 2:16, 17; Hebrews 10:1. TDOC 58.1
6. The typical system was abolished by the incarnation and death of Christ. Matthew 27:50, 51; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 10:4-9.
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May 10, 2025 at 8:43 am#947345Berean
ParticipantWhat is said in the Advent Messenger is only a reflection of the article below and which should make people think, especially the American government, but not only…
Sources
[1] https://kanivatonga.co.nz/2025/04/time-to-end-tongas-hypocritical-sunday-laws-or-enforce-them-equally/
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Time to end Tonga’s hypocritical Sunday laws or enforce them equally
May 9, 2025 at 5:49 pm#947343Berean
ParticipantHoly Day or Harmful Policy? Tonga’s Sunday Law Sparks Outrage over Injustice
The Kingdom of Tonga is an island nation located in Polynesia that has Sunday laws embedded in its 1875 Constitution. For 150 years, Tonga’s Sunday laws—which prohibit most commercial and recreational activities on Sundays— have established Sunday as a sacred day of rest dedicated to worship and family. But, like all Sunday laws throughout history, Tonga has, in practice, created more division than unity—producing victims by benefiting one class at the expense of others.
Below is one of the strongest protests and rebukes ever leveled against Sunday law advocates, published by Kaniva News, a leading local media outlet in Tonga. In their critique, they describe Sunday laws as hypocritical, unjust, divisive, selectively enforced, controlling, un-Christian, and responsible for creating a two-tiered system—one that privileges a select class while victimizing others.
On April 19, 2025, Kaniva News published the following:
• “Enough debate. Tonga’s Sunday laws aren’t about piety—they’re about inequality.” [1]
• “Here’s the truth: the law is selectively enforced, creating a two-tier system where tourists and the well-connected thrive while ordinary Tongans face punishment.” [1]
• “On Sundays, tourists sip beers at waterfront bars. Asian construction crews work under government permits. Yet a local selling bread risks fines. Airlines are grounded—unless it’s a medical evacuation. Hospitals and police operate, but small businesses must shut.” [1]
• “Where’s the Christian morality in that? This isn’t about faith—it’s about control. If the law can’t be applied fairly, it shouldn’t exist at all.” [1]
• “Why should a foreigner enjoy freedoms denied to Tongans? Why are some businesses privileged while others are penalized?” [1]
• “Tonga’s Sunday laws don’t uphold holiness; they entrench hypocrisy. It’s time to scrap them or enforce them equally.” [1]
• “If shutting down businesses truly strengthened morality, Europe and the Pacific’s richest Christian nations would do the same. Instead, they trust their people to honor the Sabbath without state coercion.” [1]
• “The choice is simple: practice what you preach, or abandon the pretense.” [1]
When Tonga’s local media excoriates its government for perpetuating Sunday laws under the guise of religious values, it should serve as a wake-up call for us here in America. After 150 years of enforcing these laws, it is abundantly clear that such misguided religious policies create a two-tiered society—one that favors a privileged class while punishing others. Throughout history, Sunday laws have consistently discriminated against minorities while benefiting the powerful, the elite, and the politically connected.U.S. lawmakers should take a hard look at the negative consequences of Sunday laws in Tonga, where efforts to enforce religious rest have led to social division, economic injustice, discontent, and victimization. From Tonga to Europe and America, these laws have historically favored dominant religious groups while alienating minorities, restricting personal freedoms, and harming small businesses.
We need to learn from these failed attempts at Sunday legislation and recognize that imposing religious observance through law never achieves the desired outcome and often backfires, creating inequality, hypocrisy, and coercion. Rather than promoting unity, they tend to expose and deepen cultural and religious divides, highlighting the dangers of legislating doctrinal beliefs.
Sources
[1] https://kanivatonga.co.nz/2025/04/time-to-end-tongas-hypocritical-sunday-laws-or-enforce-them-equally/
Holy Day or Harmful Policy? Tonga’s Sunday Law Sparks Outrage over Injustice
May 6, 2025 at 1:45 am#947341Berean
Participant@DT
I give up on talking to you anymore.Goodbye
I don’t want to waste any more time with you.
May 5, 2025 at 7:46 am#947339Berean
Participant@DT
Do you believe that “Sunday keepers” are “under the banner of Satan,” are “apostates,” are “Babylon,” or are the “daughters of Babylon”?
Me
No, not all of them.
You
Do you believe that Sabbath observance is the great wall of separation between God’s true remnant people and the deceived and lost world?
me
yes
Biblical texts
Rev. 12:17] And the dragon (Satan through the Roman Empire) was wroth with the woman (the faithful church), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, those who keep the commandments of God and have 👉the testimony of Jesus Christ.👈
It is “the little horn” (Dan. 7) or the “sea beast” inspired by the Dragon/papal Rome that “thinks to change times and laws.”
Daniel 7:25: And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think👉 to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
4] And they worshipped the dragon, who had given authority to the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who can fight with him?” (Rev. 13)
But God tells us through
Isaiah 8:20. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.This is God’s purpose: that His law be in our hearts.
What will happen if people OBSTINATES against God’s law, and especially His Holy Day? WILL GOD STILL TOLERATE THIS WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING?
It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law (ps.119:126)
Rev.17:13] These (nations) have one mind, and shall give their power and strength 👉unto the beast.
[14] These shall make war with the Lamb (Christ) and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.Rev. 14:12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
If you really want to know a lot more and less disjointed continue to see Wieland’s books on Daniel and Revelation.
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May 5, 2025 at 3:26 am#947337Berean
Participant@DT
Well, I conclude that you consider obedience to God’s commandments unimportant.
That’s serious.May 4, 2025 at 8:54 am#947335Berean
Participant@DT
YOU
Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Luke 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God his own servant?
me
27] But do not be afraid, O my servant Jacob, and do not be dismayed, O Israel! For, behold, I will save you from a far country, and your descendants from the land of their captivity. Jacob will return and rest and be at peace, and no one will make him afraid.
[28] Do not be afraid, O my servant Jacob, says the Lord, for I am with you; I will utterly destroy all the nations to which I have driven you. Yet I will not utterly destroy you, but I will punish you in due measure, but I will not leave you completely unpunished.Psalm 136:22
22] It is an inheritance for his servant Israel, for his mercy endures forever.Luke 1:54] He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy.
These texts speak to us of Jacob/Israel and NOT of Jesus, that’s clear.
God is not his own servant.
BUT YES, JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE INHERITED THE DIVINE NATURE OF GOD HIS FATHER, BUT WE CANNOT SAY THAT HE IS GOD IN PERSONALITY. HE IS GOD IN NATURE, BUT NOT IN PERSON. (John 1:1)
AND HE WAS MADE FLESH (John 1:14)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
[5] 👉One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6]👉 One God and Father of all, who 👉is above all, and 👉through all, 👉and in you all.(Eph.4:4)Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.🙏
May 4, 2025 at 7:55 am#947334Berean
Participant@DT
You
Other references to Israel as God’s servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jeremiah 30:17, the servant Israel is considered by the nations as an outcast, abandoned by God, as in Isaiah 53:4)me
Jeremiah 30:10
10] Therefore do not fear, my servant Jacob, says the Lord; and do not be dismayed, Israel! For, behold, I will save you from a far country, and your descendants from the land of their captivity. And Jacob shall return and rest and be at peace, and no one shall make him afraid.v. 17. 17] For I will heal you and bind up your wounds, says the Lord; because they called you the Forsaken One, saying, ‘This is Zion, whom no one seeks.’
Isaiah 53:4
Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we have made him esteem him stricken, stricken of God and afflicted.In verse 10, it is indeed Jacob, Israel, as in verse 17, but
you cannot compare Jer. 30:17 with Isaiah 53:4.Look at the context of Jer. 30:17.
From verse 11 onward
11] For I am with you, says the Lord, to save you. Though I utterly cut off all the nations among whom I have scattered you, I will not utterly destroy you; but I will chasten you in due measure, and I will not leave you entirely unpunished.
WHY???
[12] For thus says the Lord: Your wound is incurable, and your wound is grievous.
[13] No one pleads your cause, and you can be bound up; you have no remedy.
[ 14 ] All your lovers have forgotten you; they no longer seek you;👉 For I have struck you like an enemy, like a cruel man, because of the multitude
👉 BECAUSE OF THE MULTITUDE OF YOUR INIQUITIES, because your sins have multiplied.
[ 15 ] Why do you cry out because of your affliction? Your pain is incurable, 👉 Because of the multitude of your iniquities; it is because 👉 your sins have multiplied that 👉 I have done these things to you.CAN YOU COMPARE SUCH A SERVANT JACOB/ISRAEL WITH THE SERVANT OF ISAIAH 53:4???
On the one hand (Jer. 30:17) we have a servant rejected by the nations and punished by God because of his sins.
And on the other hand (Isaiah 53:4) we have the bearer of our sorrows, our griefs, and of course our sins (v. 11).
[11] He will see the travail of his soul and be satisfied; by his knowledge 👉my righteous servant will justify many, f👉or he will bear their iniquities.👈This cannot be said of Israel, impossible!
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May 4, 2025 at 5:38 am#947333Berean
Participant#SabbathTruth, #FaithOverTradition
Have you ever wondered why so many churches avoid talking about the true Sabbath? In this eye-opening 39-minute motivational speech, Billy Graham boldly reveals the deep-rooted fears and traditions that keep the truth hidden. This message isn’t about religion—it’s about a relationship with God and the courage to walk in full obedience. If you’ve been hungry for deeper spiritual truth and clarity in your walk with Christ, this speech will challenge you to break free from religious confusion and align your life with God’s Word. Stay till the end—you may discover the key to a new level of faith, purpose, and freedom.May 4, 2025 at 3:21 am#947332Berean
Participant@DT
Verse 5 should lead you to a reasonable conclusion.
5] And now, says the Lord, who formed me from the womb,
To be his servant,
To turn Jacob to himself:
Though Israel be not gathered, I will be glorified before the Lord, and my God will be my strength.
IF JACOB/ISRAEL IS THE SERVANT HERE,
HOW CAN HE TURN HIMSELF BACK TO THE LORD???THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM HERE.
THERE I BELIEVE THAT ONLY JESUS CAN BE THIS SERVANT
AND NOT ISRAEL, WHO MUST BE TURNED BACK TO YHWHMay 3, 2025 at 8:51 am#947330Berean
Participant@DT
You
52:13 “Behold, My servant will prosper.” Israel in the singular is called G-d’s servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3)…
Me
TEXTS FROM ISRAEL THE SERVANT WITH WHICH I AGREE
Isaiah 41:8 ] But you, Israel, are my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, my friend.
[ 9 ] You whom I took from the ends of the earth, whom I called from among its princes, and to whom I said, ‘You are my servant; I have chosen you, and I will not reject you.’
[ 10 ] Do not be afraid, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with the right hand of my righteousness.Isaiah 44
[ 1 ] Now therefore, hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel whom I have chosen. [2] Thus says the Lord, who made you and formed you from the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, and you, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
[3] For I will pour water on the thirsty, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour my spirit on your descendants, and my blessing on your offspring.Isa. 45:4] For the sake of Jacob my servant, and Israel my chosen, I have called you by your name; I have surnamed you, though you do not know me.
[5] I am the Lord, and there is no other; there is no God besides me. I have girded you, though you do not know me.Isa. 48:20. 20 ] Come out of Babylon, flee from the Chaldeans, proclaim these things with a voice of song, tell them, recount them to the ends of the earth! Say: The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob.
Regarding Isaiah 49:3, I do not agree that it refers to Israel although the word Israel must be written.
If you read vv. 1-5, you will understand that this cannot be the case.
Isa. 49
[1] Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
[2] And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
[3] And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
[4] Then I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nothing, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
[5] And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, 👉 to bring Jacob again to him, 👉Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.Read this link (even in part) and you will understand
https://www.logos.com/grow/min-servant-isaiah-49/
TO BE CONTINUED LATER
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May 2, 2025 at 8:26 am#947328Berean
Participant@DT
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:👉THE CHATISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS UPON HIM👈 ; and with his stripes we are healed.
YES, THE PUNISHMENT THAT GIVES US PEACE WAS UPON HIM ON THE CROSS OF GOLGOTHA.
HE SUFFERED THE PUNISHMENT THAT ADAM AND EVE AND THE ENTIRE ADAMIC RACE WAS TO SUFFER.
THE ONLY WAY NOT TO BENEFIT FROM THIS GRACE IS TO RESIST THIS GIFT OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST.
YES, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ACTIONS AND WE CANNOT MAKE OURSELVES PLEASANT BEFORE GOD BY OUR REPENTANCE AND OUR GOOD DEEDS ALONE..ONLY THE MERITS OF CHRIST’S SHED BLOOD MAKE OUR REPENTANCE AND OUR GOOD DEEDS PLEASANT BEFORE GOD.
The entire Old Testament teaches us this, with the rituals of the sanctuary .
The daily sacrifice and all other animal and plant sacrifices, not to mention the festivals, represent Christ’s sacrifice and his ministry.
There is much to study and reflect on in this chapter, which is, in fact, the foundation of the New Testament.
May 1, 2025 at 8:21 am#947326Berean
Participant@ DT
you
Read Exodus 32:30-35, where Moses was about to take the sins of the people and God said NO; they would be responsible for what they had done against God and inflicted a plague on them.
me
Just because God refused Moses to take the sins of the people upon himself does not mean that God, through His Son, could not.
If Adam and Eve survived FOLLOWING THEIR SIN IN EDEN, IT IS BECAUSE GOD ACTIVATED HIS PLAN OF SALVATION.
GOD COULD HAVE DESTROYED THEM IMMEDIATELY, BUT DID NOT, CONTRARY TO THE WARNING GIVEN: “for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”Certainly, Adam and Eve experienced death, but it was not final/eternal death (no return to life).
So, for me, this means that God took upon Himself, through His Son, the sins of Adam and Eve, forgave them, and gave them a second chance. In this way, this second chance was given to all of humanity.
Therefore, there are two deaths: death through sleep and death without return to life.
And therefore, although we are responsible for our actions and we reap what we have sown, God has chosen to show us grace through His Son, Jesus Christ.
It is up to us to consider this gift of mercy from God and His Son and choose whether or not to respond.
Christ chose, out of love for us, to bear the sins of the world in order to deliver us from them and give us life in Him.
But when He returns to seek His children and bring them to the Father, He will no longer be the bearer of sins; these will be transferred to the head of the goat Azazeel: SATAN, the first instigator/responsible for evil in the universe.
Rev.21
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are,…April 30, 2025 at 8:04 am#947325Berean
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If the last week of the “70 week” prophecy is about the Jesus’ death, please explain why this prophecy isn’t a focus in the NT. The only time the name Daniel is mentioned is in the Jesus’ dialogue when he’s speaking about the destruction of the Temple……
Me
Jesus referred to Daniel 9 without naming him in Mark 1:14, 15.
14] Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
[15] And saying, 👉The time is fulfilled,👈 and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.The time is fulfilled,…
The only “time” prophecy concerning Christ and his ministry in the book of Daniel is the prophecy of the 2300 evenings and mornings (2300 literal years) mentioned in Daniel 8:14.
Daniel 8:14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; 👉then shall the sanctuary be cleansed
The 70 weeks (490 literal years) are the beginning of this long prophecy of 2,300 years.
(Daniel’s time until the time of the cleansing of the sanctuary)Daniel 8:16] And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, who called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. [17] So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: 👉for at the time of the end 👈 shall be the vision (the purification of the sanctuary)
19] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be👉 in the last end of the indignation: for at 👉the time appointed the end shall be.👈
Daniel 8:26] And the vision of 👉the evening and the morning 👈which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be 👉for many days.
You
When the Jesus speaks of his death he never references the 70 weeks being about him. No one after his death mentions this being a fulfillment of Daniel.
Me
Paul refers to the time concerning the coming of Christ
Gal.4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law
Eph. 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him
You
It would seem, from the mouth of the Jesus, he was warning them about the destruction of the Temple and NOT his death.
Me
Yes
The disciples needed to be warned so they could escape death when the Romans came to destroy Jerusalem and the temple, as mentioned in Daniel 9:26.
👉And after three score and two weeks, the Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself: 👉and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary👈👉As mentioned above, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple would come AFTER THE DEATH OF THE MESSIAH.
And it is the consequence of the killing of Christ by those HE CAME TO SAVE.
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April 28, 2025 at 1:31 am#947321Berean
ParticipantIf you would only take the time to read about Daniel 9 (the 70 weeks and the context) in Pastor Wieland’s book, you would understand something unique in the world and which goes hand in hand with the story.
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