And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
 

Gene or Jodi

In these verses

WHO IS before all things?

WHO IS the head if the church?

is it a question of salvation whether the earth is flat or globe shaped ….
Yes or no ???

Gene

You

Jesus was and is not the word of God “himself”  he is “called” the word of God, as a nickname, why?, because he tells us God the Fathers Words, just as he said he did . “the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY WORDS, but the words of “HIM” that “SENT” me.”

Jesus was and is not the word of God “himself”, he is “called”…[Read more]

Proclaimer

You

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning…

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

DEFINITION OF ‘CREATED’…[Read more]

Mike

There are two significant verses in Hebrews 1

1: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5

1: 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father.

Jodi

3
panta di autou egeneto kai cwriV autou egeneto oude en o gegonen
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

cwriV
choris
kho-rece’
adverb from cwra – chora 5561; at a space, i.e. separately or apart from (often as preposition):–beside, by itself, without.

 
without him was not any t…[Read more]

Hi Mike
We disagree about the Son “begotten in eternity past” …. you say “He was created.”
But there is even more serious than that … and that does not make us enemies …. 🙂

To be judge of the quik AND the dead OF ALL the World from the biginning of the world Jésus must omniscient That IS to Say God….

Jodi

You

There is more of the word to be fulfilled in the man of flesh Jesus, including the promise that he as the Son of Man in the glory of our Father is going to return to earth as the ordained promised son of Jesse who will judge the quick and the dead. Also that he is according to the flesh going to sit on his father David’s t…[Read more]

Mike

Good intervention

Jodi

“He was made in the likeness of man, for even though he knew no sin, God made him to be sin for us.

He was found in fashion as a man when he was numbered with transgressors.”

Words OF Jodi but not words OF God

The Words OF God:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no…[Read more]

Ok Proclaimer

No problème

Have a good day

Proclaimer

You

Berean,  again you are doing exactly what Satan wants you to do, preach a Jesus that is “different” then we are.

Strawman argument. Berean, myself, and others are not denying that he came in the flesh, lived as a man, was of the seed of David, etc.

If this is your counter argument, then you guys have lost.

Of course you didn…[Read more]

Jodi,

You

You say he emptied himself of his glory, but scripture says that the people beheld his glory, the glory of him who was filled will grace and truth, which IS God’s word of Isaiah 11 made true in the flesh.

Me

2: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it was no theft to be equal with God:

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all eauton ekenwsen morfhn doulou lab…[Read more]

AND Colossians1:17

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

BEFORE ALL THINGS….

THE SON OF GOD WAS EXISTING BEFORE ALL THINGS…

DO YOU REALIZE GENE…???

Gene

In Hebrews 1 we read about Jesus

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

In Colossians 1

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of…[Read more]

Gene

Do you even believe that God the Father is a person?

Jodi

You

Hi Berean,

Yes his name is called The Word of God.

Me

John Say

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word was with God

17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The Son existed Before the World was, he was…

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Gene

I mean by nature of God not his Spirit or his character or what he is spiritually speaking BUT THE NATURE OF HIS PHYSICAL PERSON IF I CAN SPEAK OUT THUS. This is the nature I was talking about that we cannot have.

Amen!