I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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How do you know that I have not done that.

I am guessing because I have not believed exactly as you have. This is how you judge. If it doesn’t line up with you, then it is not of the Holy Spirit. Reminds me of DavidL and he has a completely different view to you.

This is why I bring scripture into it and test words to see if they were so.…[Read more]

Right, so you have the truth and I do not because. Just because right?

“The Word was theos.”
Jesus said, “Ye are theos”.

Same sentence construction, in that they both say theos without the article.

So it does have something to do with John 1:1 in that if we understand how one can be used qualitatively, then it shows us how the other can be too.

This was the point, nothing more, nothing less. Just a grammar…[Read more]

You said:

I sometimes wonder why people cannot just read the Bible and accept it. I am constantly amazed at how seldom people just read the Bible and say they accept it. It is really quite simple if one will just do that but most will say

It says, “THE Word was with THE God”, but do you apply your quote to that particular text? And if so,…[Read more]

I also agree that the JW translation is perhaps just as presumptuous as the Trinitarian translations of John 1:1. There is neither a definite or indefinite article preceding the last mention of theos in John 1:1.

The dificulties I have with either is this:

> The Word was THE God basically means that Jesus is God to the exclusion of the…[Read more]

I agree with much of what you say and it is clear to me that you at least think about things and seek them out, rather than just take the traditional view of things without question.

But there are some difficulties with your view.

1) The Word was with God
2) In the beginning

I would make the case to you that the beginning being spoken of…[Read more]

The word theos is applied to not only the Most High God but others. Jesus quoted, “ye are gods” from “ye are elohim, ye are all sons of the Most High God”.

Why does the term “most High Theos” even exist if ‘theos’ can only apply to the Most High?

A person who believes in the Trinity Doctrine over the doctrine of Christ is a follower of Athanasius and not Christ, with regards to who Jesus is.

Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

Athanasius and the Trinity Doctrine basically states that there is one God the Father,…[Read more]

Hi Mike.

Let’s imagine that God is a Trinity and not the Father as we believe.

Okay let’s give John 1:1 a whirl.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Trinity, and the Trinity was word.

Okay so this means that the Word is not part of the Trinity. Further, the Trinity was WITH the Word.

Logically then their…[Read more]

Even worse than that Mike is that this confusion and babble is a salvation issue for many of the proponents of this. Basically the message is, ‘believe that Jesus is the son of God, and God that he is the son of, and if you don’t believe this extra-biblical creed which isn’t explicitly taught in scripture, then you are put on a roast spit and…[Read more]

Oh dear. That is a pity.
That extra feature is to stop spam and porn being posted.
And I am surprised that you lost it though. What happens when you hit the back button?

You said:

so maybe in the light of your great Biblical knowledge you are now ready to give us your correct interpretation of John 1:1 and finally enlighten us to the origins of the Word…if He, as you say, was not God..

The Word came from God. So there was God and the Word in the beginning. Before that, there is no beginning. He expressed the W…[Read more]

Let me be absolutely clear about something here.

Because you believe in the Trinity Doctrine, this does not negate true experience, true relationship, true revelation, and your new birth from above, that are of God. It just means that you are being purged and moving closer toward being without spot of blemish.

I am not saying in any…[Read more]

You say there is no confusion for you and others who hold to the Trinity.

Explain this to me then and show why there is no confusion to Jesus own words and the Trinity Doctrine that teaches that Jesus is God.

John 17:3 (English-NIV)
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have…[Read more]

I am pretty sure I have done this for you in a number of ways. I will keep it simple.

There is no definite article in John 1:1c, whereas it exists in all other instances of John 1:1. This is significant.

Elswhere where we see no definite article with theos, we see a number of differing meanings such as Jesus quoting “ye are theos” to the…[Read more]

Perhaps you missed it David. In an earlier post to you, I defended this very thing. I will reword it for you.

1) Bibles do have differences and some of those differences are significant.
2) But the Bible has more textual references than any other writing in history, so it is easy to pick out the majority of mistakes and corruptions. It…[Read more]

Why are you so bent on me believing a metaphysical concept imported from Greek philosophy? Why can’t you leave me with the scriptures I give you? Since when has this extra-biblical doctrine become so important? And why trade in the truth that Jesus is the son of the one true God?

After all, God sent the prophets and they are not God, and in…[Read more]

You can argue against my logic, but why argue against scripture?

For us, there is one God the Father. It means exactly what it says.

He is one, not triune.

Ephesians 1:17 (English-NIV)
I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

Thanks heaps Oneway. I do get quite a bit of encouragement from people who feel exactly the same way you do. I always think of Elijah who thought he was the only one left holding to the truth, yet there are many people out there like us. The problem is that they are often isolated within a sea of tradition. But even many caught up in the…[Read more]