Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 21 2011,02:45)Irene………I was referencing nothing about firstborn regarding what is said , do you see the word Firstborn anywhere there,  i was referencing about Preexistence  only, the Trinitarians believe Jesus preexisted his berth on earth the Gnostic's also did and I do believe you do also right? So that would m…[Read more]

Paladin!  First I will continue praying for you.   My Husband too went through radiation.  It makes a person rather weak.  But He is fine now, no more Cancer.  Now, When you say that Rev. 19 does speak of Jesus, then why don't you believe it is Jesus in John 1:1  He is the firstborn of the death, the Scripture in Col. 1:18 tells us so……[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2011,17:53)Lol WJ,Much love to the thread man,It seems your driving it homeHow do you see that. There is only one True God, while WJ belives there are three persons in one. That is not One True God….thats three…..Peace irene

Quote (Wispring @ May 20 2011,17:18)I hope Paladin is OK.Yes, I second that….. Have you ever gotten a personal Message from Paldin? If so, you could send Him an e-mail…..I will pray for Him tonight……Peace Irene

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2011,15:47)To All………….The beginning of the Creation of GOD in Rev 3:14……Is referencing Jesus as the Beginning of GOD'S Created Son from among Men in the Kingdom of GOD, Jesus was the First one or the beginning of this creation,  this  scripture has nothing to do with any prior existence of Jesus before h…[Read more]

Quote Jesus was created by God first?  Show where this occurred by the scriptures.Marty!  There are three Scriptures that shows Jesus was createde inCol 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  Rom 8:29   For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be t…[Read more]

Quote And so, Jesus was a begotten Son of God prior to his being conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary?Marty!  Jesus is the literal Son of God.  He came forth from Jehovah God and not out of the dust of the earth.  Begotten means simple born.  Jesus was born by Maria.  But He was created by God first.  Scriptures in previous post.  Then He Phl…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,06:13)Hi Irene:You say to Gene:Quote There are three Scriptures that state Jesus is the firstborn.  Being Gods Son He did have a beginning….. How could He be a Son and always existed.  Did your Son exist at the same time then you did??? I bet not,…And so, you acknowledge that Jesus had a beginning by your s…[Read more]

Geneand Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation (INTO) the Kingdom of GOD. The “first of MANY Brethern”, he might have the preeminence.  There are three Scriptures that state Jesus is the firstborn.  Being Gods Son He did have a beginning….. How could He be a Son and always existed.  Did your Son exist at the same time then you did??? I bet no…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2011,00:53)Irene………….So much posting and not a Single “Specific” text saying “JESUS PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH” as a sentinel being of any kind.  Pooling hundreds if not thousands of scriptures and forcing them to say what they in fact do not say, is exactly what your fellow preexistence trinitarians…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ April 24 2011,18:47)Hi Kerwin,Quote What inheritance do you believe Paul is speaking of? I believe the inheritance Paul is speaking of is the kingdom of God that Christ Jesus our lord and master spoke of while he was fulfilling his mission while here on earth in ancient times before his ressurection.   This inheritance was…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 19 2011,09:48)Mike, I just have to add, I have seen Istari speak of things that many here have no knowledge of.  Enoch, in the book of Enoch, also spoke of things that nobody else had knowledge of.  Enoch in the Bible walked with God, and Enoch was taken away.  Many believe that he will be one of the Two Witnesses of Re…[Read more]

Charles! You are wrong my friend. The only Almighty God is Jehovah God. Jesus is a Mighty God, the Son of God. They are not the same. It sounds like you believe in a trinity. The Father and the Son are one in believe, Jesus came from Heaven to do His fathers will. And by God Holy Spirit in us, we to are one with father and Son. But you…[Read more]

Wispring! I read your post and found it good. If we would all feel that in spite of our differences consider, that all have fallen short of the glory of God, we would not have abuse and personal; attacks on any member at Heaven Net. That is also how a Christians should behave. We should all look up to Jesus… What would He do or say. To…[Read more]

Gene! This is what t8 believes, article written by Him.Did Jesus pre-exist before his birth on earth? ——————————————————————————–John 6:38-40 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose…[Read more]

Charles! Unless you can prove that Jesus is Almighty God, you are dead wrong. The Scripture in Phil. 2 says that Jesus was in the form of God, and then took on the form of a man. The form of God is Spirit. And that is what Jesus was before He came to earth. There are 50 Scriptures in the Preexisting debate tread in Truth or Tradition to prove…[Read more]

Quote No, my friend, I only know I cannot give over to something just because it has a popular concensus; or because it is agreed to by scholars; nor yet, because it is the latest fad on the market. And no, these are not accusations, just as I did not say you are  a young Christian, (though I perceive all Christians as “children” of God) I said…[Read more]

Mike! I just came across a Scripture in Romans that is not posted yet.. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. this is a good scripture like Col. 1:15 and Rev. 3;14 that rules out that Jesus always existed….Peace Irene

Hi Tim! these scriptures that do tell us that we are sinners, but sin is not imputed to us, because we are under Jesus blood, the New Covenant. 1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us sins, and to cleanse us from all…[Read more]

SOMEBODY BIGGER THAN YOU AND MEWho made the mountains, who made the tree's,Who made the river flow to the seaAnd who hung the moon in the starry skiesSomebody bigger then you and meWho made the flowers bloom in the springWho writes the song for the robin to singand who sends the rain when the earth is drySomebody bigger then you and meHe lights…[Read more]