Quote (shimmer @ May 24 2011,20:16)Quote And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his formThey have never heard his voice nor seen his form because in the old testement what they saw and what they heard were Angels or the pre-existant Christ.  And then Jesus says,`So long time am I…[Read more]

Marty! There are two scriptures were Jesus was called God…. Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son , Thy throne, O God, for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hbr 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Hbr 1:10…[Read more]

Quote “There was a man sent from God”Where did God send this man from?Paladin! Almighty God is in Heaven. Almighty God send his only begotten Son into the world not to condemn the world, but that through Him all will be saveth. And He came down from Heaven to do the will of Him that sent Him….

Quote (shimmer @ May 24 2011,21:01)Irene, I find it interesting that Revelations is one of your favourite books in the bible. I loved it too. I remember being on the bed with a pen and paper trying to figure it all out. I had even drawn pictures to try and visualise it. Did you know it says that the witness of Jesus is the spirit of…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 24 2011,08:55)Does anyone have any insight into this?In Rev 22:12, Jesus is speaking.And lo, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. 'Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 24 2011,00:53)Quote (Tim Kraft @ May 24 2011,00:31)Wispring & All: The scriptures quoted……”13–Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme…..” and:14–Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them…[Read more]

Quote This to me says that the spirit(mind) of God, the spirit(mind) of Christ Jesus and the spirit(mind) of Wispring or any true believer have the ability to live as one in perfect accordance with God's will/plan with enough faith and a true and full understanding of God's word. To be honest I am aware that I don't have a full understanding. My…[Read more]

Tim! I do agree what you have stated here. Charles is in his own world, and I don't think that he will listen to any of us, who believe in the saving grace of Jesus or Lord and King. What we should do is to not even post to him… I always think if we would stop. he might go away….. That is what I am hoping for. It is so sad to believe that…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 23 2011,08:56)Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,03:05)Right! Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, and many brethren will follow in resurrection. In fact Heb 12:23 is a reference to those who follow Jesus in resurrection, in prophecy.Why is this scripture the firstborn from the death?  It doesn't say that…..and neThe only…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2011,15:11)Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,23:40)Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,05:16)Kathy!  Don't know what your point is.  I don't know if Jesus was always  in the Father, do you???  Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spi…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 22 2011,10:56)Possessing divinity is not meant to be taken that one has existed for all eternity. After all, we can partake of divine nature and even though we have eternal life, we still had a beginning and I don't see how that can ever change.t8 Almighty God is divine. What does that mean? He is immortal and will never die.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,23:40)Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,05:16)Kathy!  Don't know what your point is.  I don't know if Jesus was always  in the Father, do you???  Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spirit Being…. That is the way I see it.  Begotten means born, and He was…[Read more]

Quote Because for over sixty years, Paul has been preaching about the logos of God being a an activity consisting of “Christ in you.” When you give your life over to Christ, so that he shines through, that is the logos of God. Not “Christ” but”Christ in you.”Paladin!  this however has nothing to do with that Jesus is the firstborn of all…[Read more]

Kathy! Don't know what your point is. I don't know if Jesus was always in the Father, do you??? Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spirit Being…. That is the way I see it. Begotten means born, and He was born as a Human, that's my point….But kathy what's the point….. Am I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,03:54)Irene,Did you exist within the womb before you were actually born from the womb?  Wasn't your heart beating long before your mother brought you forth through birth?  Maybe the Son existed within His Father before He was actually born also and maybe He 'always' existed within His Father until He was born since t…[Read more]

Quote There is no scripture that you quoted that states that Jesus pre-existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world.Marty, since Jesus is the firstborn of ALL creation, then He was a sentient person…Are you reading those Scriptures right to say what you did? Or don't you know what a firstborn is?Marty, Jesus also said, that…[Read more]

Quote He did exist, but he did not exist as a sentient person. He was foreordained, and was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary at the specified time of God's choosing.None of the scriptures that you have posted say that he pre-existed as a sentient person. The scriptures that you posted that pertain to Jesus in the OT…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2011,19:01)Quote (Pastry @ May 20 2011,12:56)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2011,17:53)Lol WJ,Much love to the thread man,It seems your driving it homeHow do you see that.  There is only one True God, while WJ belives there are three persons in one.  That is not One True God….thats three…..Peace ireneIrene,did y…[Read more]

GREAT IS THY FAITHFULNESS1 Great is Thy faithfulness, O God my Father, there is no shadow turning with Thee. Thou changes not, Thy compassion's they fail not, As Thou has been, Thou forever wilt be.2 Summer and winter, and spring time and harvest, Sun, moon and stars in their courses above, Join with all nature in man-i-fold…[Read more]

All, I only have to consider that Jesus is the Son of God. How could He exist at the same time then His Father?? There is no way. There are three Scriptures that say He was the firstborn of all creation.Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did…[Read more]