Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2011,15:53)Thanks Irene!I think that whole fiasco took about 5 years off my life – just from angry stress alone!  Mike! I know what you mean, we are all human beings with feelings.I start singing in order to combat that angry feeling and it works for me…… Take care….Irene

Quote (shimmer @ July 13 2011,13:52)Irene, a ransom and the denial of the bodily resurrection of Christ is nothing but the text of the JWs. And you say you didn't learn it from them? And Mike what are you saying? I agree with Istari because I AGREE. Don't think I would agree with someone just because I like them. I'm not that stupid.Shimmer!  The…[Read more]

Mike, good job….finally got an answer….. lets see if Marty continues doing so….I hope He will…. for all involved. That is the way all Brethren should do….Peace and love Irene:)

Quote Irene is lost – for someone to deny the resurrection and even say they DIDN'T UNDERSTAND what being RAISED UP FROM THE DEAD means… Yet vehemently stating that Jesus' body was not reAnimated with his Spirit (And then go on about RANSOM – what!!!) what did I say that she ignored: His DEATH was the RANSOM… His BLOOD, the Sacrifice…This is…[Read more]

Shimmer!  outer darkness… that is a good question.  Being without Gods Holy Spirit is certainly a dark place to be.  Will they have a second chance?  Georg thinks they do.  I don't know however.  All those that died and did not even know Jesus, I believe will have a first chance to know Him.  The thousand year reign Jesus will teach only the tr…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2011,01:26)Ireneand Paul says;1CO 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1CO 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 1CO 15:47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 1CO…[Read more]

Shimmer!  If Jesus was resurrected in the same body then He died in, why did Maria Magdalene not recognize Jesus? Jhn 20:11 ¶ But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, into the sepulchre,   Jhn 20:12   And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the bod…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ July 12 2011,11:18)Irene,Irene, I have seen HUGE changes in you since the time I was first here, GOOD changes. Irene, the only reason I came down so hard on you and Mike especially and Terrarica, is because I CARE.  Most of the time when I post here it's just my inquisitive mind, full of error, trying hard to find and understand…[Read more]

t8 We will be praying for God's people and hoping all will stop soon….. Peace to all involved, Irene

Quote (shimmer @ July 12 2011,10:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2011,10:34)Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2011,01:47)your questions are all answered in this topic but you only believe in you or the way you see it fitRight Pierre,Not only have they been answered by scriptures, but also by the experts that HE HIMSELF linked us to.  I quoted all six of…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2011,09:28)Quote (Pastry @ July 12 2011,13:01)Istari, blah, blah ,blah……you don't know what a ransom is, and you don't know with what body Jesus was resurrected with.  You ignore Scriptures that state first the natural and then the spiritual.  You limit Jesus that He cannot manifest Himself to show the Apostles, w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2011,09:22)Quote (Pastry @ July 10 2011,21:52)So why is it that Istari and Shimmer think that natural is the same then spiritual bodies?  It is not.That is an EXCELLENT point, Irene!  If the spiritual body is nothing more than a natural body with God's Spirit in it, then how is it different from anyone who's ever r…[Read more]

Istari, blah, blah ,blah……you don't know what a ransom is, and you don't know with what body Jesus was resurrected with. You ignore Scriptures that state first the natural and then the spiritual. You limit Jesus that He cannot manifest Himself to show the Apostles, who thought they seen a Ghost, that it is Jesus. And then He came though…[Read more]

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. It is sown a natural body and RAISED A SPIRITUAL; BODY. That is what Scriptures are saying. 1Cr 15:42 So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: THESE SCRIPTURES ARE TALKING BOUT THE RESURRECTION OF BODIES. 1Cr 15:43 It is sown in…[Read more]

Hello! Want to make you aware of that Paladin is having a hard time, because of Radiation treatment…Please pray for Him…..In Christian Love Irene

Quote (shimmer @ July 11 2011,11:04)Quote One could not say God is ominpresent thinking He is all AROUND US, for that is not what the word means. It means that God is in every minute area of space that we are also in. And since the material that fills up one particular molecule-sized area of space cannot be both “God” AND “not God”, something has…[Read more]

Paladin! I am so sorry to hear what you have gone through…….I hope and pray all will turn out good, and you will return to good health. My Husband had to go through Radiation also when He had cancer, but now He is cancer free. I wish you the best….We will pray for you…..Peace and Love Irene

Quote (Istari @ July 11 2011,18:29)Irene,For the purpose of the record – please tell us:1) what YOU MEAN by the SPIRITUAL BODY2) give some examples of where Scriptures alludes to suchLet me set some parameters – feel free t break them.1) 'Spiritual body' (SlB) is the term under consideration – not 'SPIRIT BODY'2) Jesus was RAISED FROM THE DEAD…[Read more]

If God wants to make a Spiritual body, He can do so.  Whether we think it is not so, or true.  And Scriptures have said so, that God will give it a body as He see's fit, not Istari, Shimmer or us for that matter.  Some simple don't understand what is meant by natural body and spiritual body.  It even says that first the natural body and then the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2011,09:51)They really ARE very clear scriptures, aren't they Irene?  It simply amazes me that someone's WISH for Jesus to have been “exactly like us” would lead them to ignore the very scriptures God preserved to teach us about these things.  Yes, Mike…. Amd then to think that Jesus has to be excatly like us, is n…[Read more]