Hi Jodi,

Are you about done, anything else to add before I look at all of these last five posts?

Mike,

You asked: So at this point, can you and I agree that the writer is talking about one particular god, and the prophets/son through whom this particular god did certain things?

Yes, God the Father of Jesus who was not alone creating the world, specifically.

Gene,

3For He (the Son, Jesus Christ) has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the builder of the house has more honor than the house.

The verse says it clearly that Jesus built the house that refers to the believers as the house. Moses was a member IN God’s house, Jesus was the Son over His own house of many members.…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

I agree that the word translated as “angels” can be translated “messengers.” That is nothing new to me. I also agree that the word translated as “angels” referred to John the Baptist as a messenger and other earthly men as messengers, that is also nothing new to me. What I vehemently disagree with you on is that you apply the word…[Read more]

Gene,

Read here how Moses and Jesus are different:

1Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus; 2He was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house. 3For He has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the…[Read more]

@Admin

When I make a post from my phone, submit it, then edit it, and submit it after it is edited,  I can see it in my personal activities but it disappears from the thread. I will repost it in the next post. This has happened before.

Gene,

Read here how Moses and Jesus are different:

1Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus; 2He was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house. 3For He has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the…

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@DannyDabbs

Hi Danny, if you are still reading here, I have prepared for you a fuller picture than what you have been given by Jodi. May God be with you on your search…I’ve been there. God is good!

In the beginning was the Word (a), the Image of the invisible God-the Father YHVH -(b). The Word was with the invisible God and was God (a), the…

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Hi Danny,

You asked: Can we honestly say that a God/Man was like one of us in every way? Hebrews 2:17

Yes we can honestly say that a the One who was equal to God, laid down His majestic splendor and became man like us in every way that allowed Him to suffer and be tempted and die. That is what the context says in Hebrews 2. Read it here:

5For He…

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Jodi,

You said: YLT SUPPORTS MY VIEW, a word that means messenger should be translated as messenger!

Your view says that Heb 1 is about earthly messengers, not celestial messengers. YLT calls celestial angels “messengers”. For instance, see here throughout this passage, the angel is called a messenger in the YLT translation:

11And there appeared…

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@mikeboll64

You said: The one through whom God created the world was not God.

Yes He was. He just wasn’t God the Father.

Look at verse 4…

…having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Do you really imagine that there was a time when God became superior to the angels by inheriting a bet…

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DannyDabbs

You said to Jodi and Gene: Maybe you are right that Jesus started His life as a human being.
Born of the Holy Spirit from Mary.

All men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That alone should tell you that Jesus, who had no sin, was not part of the “all men.” Jesus took on the sins of the whole world. If Jesus was just a man…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said:

Applying the surrounding context to a word as well as the truth given from all other scriptures, is how you determine the correct meaning of a word that holds multiple meanings.

Agree, and that is why the word should be translated as “angels.”

Gene,

You are welcome to address me in a PM but please respect the integrity of this closed discussion. Thanks.

Jodi,

Where are human beings called ministering spirits elsewhere?

Hi Jodi,

There are only a few things needed to answer most or all of your “Please explain…” post.

God the Father is the head of the YHVH Unity that includes the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Unity alone created the universe.

The Son emptied Himself of His divine majesty and took the form of a human servant, then was later highly exalted above…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said:

What you said contradicts so many scriptures, you very much so lean on your private interpretations rather than applying scripture with scripture.

I’ve said many things, what exactly are you referring to.

On a side note, I find it ironic that you think that I am leaning on my private interpretations when you have exposed yourself…[Read more]

Gene,

You and Jodi don’t have a Bible translation that agrees with you. How can we have a Biblically based discussion when you believe all Bible translations are wrong?

You both live in your own world of delusion and twist the scriptures to conform to YOUR WORD, not God’s word. Wake up! There’s a reason you can’t find a Biblical transla…[Read more]

Jodi,

You asked Danny:

how was it that

Jesus was obedient and still is obedient and will return and be obedient?

Sorry for budding in here, Jesus is not the head of the YHVH unity, the head of the Unity is His Father. Of course He would obey the head of the YHVH Unity, He always has been a perfect son. He is obediently reigning over the whole…[Read more]