Hi ringo111,I use the KJV bible as my main study bible but I will also refer to other translations because if you understand human nature you will find that most of the bibles have the translators personal beliefs worked into the texts. As far as the disciples not knowing these things, there are many things in which the disciples did not have a…[Read more]

Hi t8,I understand how you feel, I too would like to understand these things. I believe the trinity doctrine came to be because men of the past who searched these things out were lost for words to explain these things. The trinity doctrine almost seems to be a frustrated attempt to try and make scripture fit.The way I have been looking at all of…[Read more]

Hi t8,What are the questions you are asking regarding the verses you listed?Many blessing,John

Hi t8,When I read God’s word I try to understand the spiritual application of His word, in other words, I try to learn how what God is saying applies to me inwardly.I understand that the tree of good and evil was to test us. But I don’t look at the literal tree but rather what the tree represents.In God’s word a tree or wood is a picture of a…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I’ll break this verse down to it’s inward application. To repent means to turn away or to change your mind. To baptize or immerse is to wash. The name…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,All throughout God’s word He gives us outward pictures that we can see and study to help us understand spiritual truth.Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Water in…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,I can see by how you understand scripture that you are still in the letter which kills and have not understood the spiritual.Tell me, how does one become born of water? Do you think by putting someone under water they are born of it or do you think the more biblical understanding of this is being born from above by the word of God.The…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,Did you notice the verse on water baptism being a figure. This tells me that I sould not focus on the outward or the figure but rather what the figure represents.Repentance takes place in the heart. When the kingdom of God was ushered in water baptism was used as a picture or figure to help us understand. If you look in God’s word, He…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,I’m not at my laptop so I do have access to the verses.God’s word says there is one baptism. Which baptism is it referring to, the water or the Spirit baptism.I agree with the understanding that the willingess to be water baptized reveals a willingness to repent but repentence still takes place in the heart and life of the one…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,The Holy Spirit or the Spirit of God is God’s presence in power and wisdom throughout all creation and time. God is all powerful and has all knowledge. There is no where you can go to escape His presence.Psalms 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,I’ll try using your tactic in trying to get an answer.Well, mister brick wall, you haven’t answered my question. I hope people are reading this forum. Maybe you don’t have the answer. I’ll try again…What is your definition of the Godhead? ; )By the way, I’m not a trinitarian.Many blessings,John

Quote Quote: from ringo111 on 3:00 am on Feb. 13, 2004If it is only a sighn- explain this- Luke 7:29-3029(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John. 30But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because…[Read more]

Quote Quote: from ringo111 on 8:43 pm on Feb. 12, 2004you john say-1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. Christ did not send Paul to baptize with water, but to teach the simple message of the Cross which is God’s love…[Read more]

Quote Quote: from ringo111 on 7:57 pm on Feb. 12, 2004I will use your own scripture quoteYoou John sAY-"John 16:13He will glorify me, since all he reveals to you will be taken from what is mine."********************I ringo111 sayAgain He is talking about the Holy spirit as a seperate person from himself- and besides this- Ive allready proven in my…[Read more]

Quote Quote: from t8 on 7:59 pm on Feb. 12, 2004Hi John, I am very open to understanding truth and I want to challenge what you have said in this discussion (your first post), not to prove you wrong or to prove I am right, but only to discover truth for all of us, even if it proves or disproves your words.Your point about evil seems to me to be…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,I guess you’re not getting what I’m saying.(your statement)If Jesus was himself being sent- then he would have said ‘I myself will be sent to you’ But he did not!!! Instead Jesus said (God’s word)John 14I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. So Jesus does say He Himself will come.(your statement)John 14:16 16 And I will…[Read more]

Hi ringo111,John 16:13-16 However, when the Spirit of truth comes he will lead you to the complete truth, since he will not be speaking of his own accord, but will say only what he has been told; and he will reveal to you the things to come. He will glorify me, since all he reveals to you will be taken from what is mine. Everything the Father has…[Read more]

Hi ringo111john 14 16-18 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to…[Read more]

Hi ringo111, Most of the bibles out there are of a trinitarian desent in which they will twist and add to scripture to make the trinity doctrine more acceptable such as 1 John 5:7.Throughout eternity there was only the Spirit of God (Father) and now at the coming of the last days we now have the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit came to be at the…[Read more]

Quote Quote: from ringo111 on 8:17 am on Feb. 12, 2004"If we trust in the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ. If we hear Him and obey Him, He will correct our understanding in these matters of good and evil. We will be able to discern what is the sanctified good and evil in life in order to make the right choice. ""Hebrews 5:14 But solid food…[Read more]