Irene,Are you Referring to Gene in your last post?All living bodies have Spirit in them – the intelligence that drives it's actions.Understand that Gene does not believe there are such things called Spirits as independent beings.Gene, therefore cannot read anything that pertaining to spirits in heaven.However, he IS HALF RIGHT in that an ANIMATED…[Read more]

Irene,First, thank you for agreeing the aspects of what Spirit is that I outlined above. There is more but I don't claim all knowledge.The question you ask then is 'How does Spirit have a body'?And the inter-reply is 'What is a Body'?A body is an enclosed set of elements that form a discernible shape and move together in the main as one unit.A…[Read more]

Irene,There is some misunderstanding.I was trying to show how Flatlander man cannot contemplate higher perspective matters.How the Flesh cannot contemplate the SpiritHow can one be in one place at one moment and a complete diffferent place the nextThat Spirit is not inhibited by time and space as flesh is because Flesh needs to move as one unit…[Read more]

And did not Jesus break the rules of the Jews that strangled them and left them impotent to the harse and overbearing penalties of the bloodstained swords of their overseers – the Romans: the law and the taskmaster.The raging rows you have with WJ, KJ and SF – what are they to you then – they appeal to you because you feel you can overcome them so…[Read more]

Mike,Not the 'is this it' but the 'do you deny it'…This is pointless – this is speculative questioning that is designed to provocate – which is your skill.There was no need for the comeback – such questioning can never lead to resution as it simply invokes trivial speculation.If everyone responded with speculation ever time some one set them a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,08:29)Quote (Istari @ April 24 2011,15:04) meant that answer to your previous post.Adam, was FIRST BORN SON OF GOD in the Flesh.Jesus is the Second born son of God in the fleshNo, because many others between Adam and Jesus were also sons of God in the flesh.  Do you deny this?Istari, I understand what you claim:…[Read more]

If anyone else is reading this thread can you look back and point out how many times I have answered Mike on his question above.I cannot figure why be is asking again and again and again nor what he hopes to achieve from a suggestive question.Perhaps I should fall to the level of his opponents that he is used to and just say 'yes' or 'no' to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,07:50)Istari,Was Adam the first “firstborn of all creation” that Jesus “replaced”?Were all things really created through Adam?I think not.mikeMike,Do you have a cognition problem?I said: ADAM: first born Son of God in the flesh…Why are you stressing the issue?I should write: 'yes or no' here. But I'm not…[Read more]

I meant that answer to your previous post.Adam, was FIRST BORN SON OF GOD in the Flesh.Jesus is the Second born son of God in the fleshBut Jesus became the FIRSTBORN by virtue of Adam sinning.Who was the first born of Abraham?Who is the Firstborn of Abraham?Mike, you just refusing to use the term FIRSTBORN as in Rank…fir why?See you keep asking…[Read more]

Mike,Adam.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,06:48)Quote (Istari @ April 24 2011,07:46)So far no one has commented on the points I raised – seems they fear saying what they know to be true (They have no problem commenting when they think I'm wrong – sad, so sad! I thought unity was a part of Spiritualness and truth!)I don't believe anyone really “fears” you…[Read more]

Mike,I wasn't looking for 'Good post,mike/Istari' – I was saying that no one has commented on a point I made – that does not require 'Good post, Istari' but rather, 'My thoughts on this are…'I think it was a point worth raising as we know that a PROMINENT ANGEL fell into Sin.It is clear that whomever Satan was, he is excessively influencial and…[Read more]

Irene and Mike,This whole Firstborn then raises another question that Mike has brought up…If all things were created through Jesus then WHAT WAS SATAN's BEEF ABOUT WANTING TO BE WORSHIPPED – to be like God?What did Satan do to imagine HE deserved such accolade?(was he Satan before he BECAME Satan – yet we speak of him as only such – God even…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,05:53)Quote (Istari @ April 24 2011,12:17)Do you agree that FIRSTBORN indicates the idea of OTHERS in a way that ONE AND ONLY does not?Yes or no…(Only joking! please answer as you please)Yes, I think Jesus IS the Word in John 1:1.mikeMike,Do you consider that this is an answer TO THE QUESTION?What is the…[Read more]

So Mike,You won't answer my question but insist others answer yours.Posting a nonsense answer does not qualify as an answer especially from you who insists on Direct answers because you already know what you WANT The other person to say.Why are you avoiding verses that state Heir to God rather than imply what you suggest.Is there some reason you…[Read more]

Irene,You are inching closer to the truth and that is excellent.But REMEMBER please please please… Revelation is SYMBOLIC.Please don't read the symbolism as direct translation to human understanding…You need the right KEYS to each symbolic reference.Some may be easy but you can bet many others will be misinterpreted.How do you describe…[Read more]

Csaliba,Each time Jesus did a miracle or a good deed he prayed IN FAITH to his Father for power and authority of the Holy Spirit. He never did anything without his Father – he relied on his Father.That then cannot possibly mean OMNIPOTENCE…What was the SOURCE of Jesus' Power and the SOURCE of his Authority? Was it not his Father – and not of…[Read more]

And Mike, did you intend to answer my other questions in that same post two above this one?I'm fascinated to hear what you have to say regarding them.

Mike,The point of saying 'Firstborn' is to emphasise that firstborn from the other 'Borns' else just say 'One and Only'.'One and Only' emphasises singularity and uniqueness that 'Firstborn' does not.I notice you use a lot of argument that involves ” Does that mean 'cannot possibly be'? “. This is weak argument and generally used as a position…[Read more]

Mike,You may not have realised it but the actual thread topic is AGREED therefore the thread is open.EVERYONE AGREES that the Father is the Father at the time of birth… Even you!The direction of the thread discussion has changed in case you hadn't noticed!Begotten IS to do with the Father having a child to his name, is it not?The question was of…[Read more]