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    Hi t8:

    So, what do you mean when you say that Jesus was not an ordinary man.  Is he a man or not?  I believe that we all know that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary, and that he is not ordinary in that respect.  All of humanity other that him were born of the sperm of man.

    Also, you say “He is called the Word of Go…[Read more]

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    Hi t8:

    So, what do you mean when you say that Jesus was not an ordinary man.  Is he a man or not?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

     

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Nick:

    Hi 94,

    You say that because you speak from a fleshly perspective.

    When we talk about God we should use the terms that He provides in scripture.

    Person is not one of them.

    (I call Him my Father and My God, and I know that He is a living being because He is not dead, He answers me)  So, if God is your Father, what do you call Him?…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Nick:

    Hi 94,

    God is Soul and Spirit.

    That is true.

    Man is “body, soul, and spirit”,  and I am a person, a living being, made in the image of God.

    He is a person, “a living being” to me, and so, I speak to Him, “person to person”, a personal relationship.

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Nick:

    Well, I don’t know about you, but God is my Father, and I have a personal relation with Him.

    What does it mean to you that we are made in His image?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Nick:

    Here is another scripture for you to consider from the NASB:

    Isa 42:1
    “Behold, My Servant, whom I fnuphold;
    My chosen one in whom My soul delights.
    I have put My Spirit upon Him;
    He will bring forth justice to the fnnations.

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Nick:

    Is a soul a person?

    Leviticus 26:

    30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.KJV

    30 I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Nick:

    Hi 94,

    God never says He is a person.

    The spirit of God is not a person in scriptural terms.

    Beware of the ideas of theologians.

    Hebrews 1King James Version (KJV)

    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi KW:

    942767,

    I can see that as Philo of Alexandria refereed to the image of God as being the Logos; which he in turn claim was the qualities of God.

    I also know that beasts are also called living soul and man is superior to the beasts because he has been made in the image and likeness of God. Given that Genesis only speaks of how man was made…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Kerwin:

    What does Paul mean “it is written” that the last Adam was made a quickening spirit since it is not written unless the last Adam is the breath of God.

    The “life giving spirit” is the Word of God that he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross.

    He stated:

    John 6:

    51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi t8:

    You asked me to edit my last post to you, but I was getting off work, and so, I was unable to do it, but I said:

    John 1 tells us that when God began to create he had a plan and all things were made by the last Adam who is “the express image of God’s person”.

    And you said, that since the scripture did not state that God “made all thing…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi t8:

    You asked me to edit my last post to you, but I was getting off work, and so, I was unable to do it, but I said:

    John 1 tells us that when God began to create he had a plan and all things were made by the last Adam who is “the express image of God’s person”.

    And you said, that since the scripture did not state that God “made all thing…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi t8:

    I appreciate you explaining your view here.

    I can see at least one assumptions and so will call that out.

    John 1 tells us that when God began to create he had a plan and all things were made by the last Adam who is “the express image of God’s person”.
    It doesn’t actually say anywhere that all things were made through the Second Adam fr…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 9 months ago

    What was with God in the beginning?

    WITH God + BECAME flesh = Jesus Christ

    John 1 tells us that when God began to create he had a plan and all things were made by the last Adam who is “the express image of God’s person”. What God had spoken from Genesis 1 and throughout the OT pertaining to the coming of Christ became a reality when Jesus was…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick:

    I know that you are speaking to Ed, but I would like you to explain why you say that sons are not part of the Father.

    If they, we, are not, then how do you explain what Jesus is speaking of in the following scriptures:

    John 17:
    20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that t…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 9 months ago

    But does that make him the Logos? No,I don’t understand it that way, the Logos pertains to him, most definitely, but it is not him as some pre-existent sentient person.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi:

    I posted the following scripture from the NASB because in reading it here it made more sense than how it read in the KJV.  In these verses of scripture, it appears that they are saying that all things are made for God.

    Hebrews 2:

    9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the…[Read more]

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    Jesus was born of a woman in Bethlehem under the Law of Moses.  He did not have the Holy Spirit of God until he was anointed for his ministry.  He was holy under the law in that he did not sin.

    Gal 4:
    4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    Luke 4:

    4 And Jesus being full of the H…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi KW:

    I usually just use the KJV.   Following is what the commentary by Jamieson, Fausset & Brown states:

    created all things by Jesus Christ–God’s creation of the world and all things therein is the foundation of the rest of the “economy,” which is freely dispensed according to the universal power of God . AS God created “the whole range of…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 8 years, 9 months ago

    KW:

    942767,

    Ephesians 3:9Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    9 And to enlighten all men, that they may see what is the dispensation of the mystery which hath been hidden from eternity in God, who created all things:
    As you can see it is not consistent between versions. It may be a manuscript difference as the KJ varieties seem to be a…[Read more]

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