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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 03 2006,15:51) Hi,
Is 1.18 says that accepting worship is a sign one is God. Who would agree?
The AntiChrist will agree.
The question of whether or not we should worship Jesus has recently come up.
This is a whole thread on it.Hi,
David has rightly questioned whwther worship just involves bending the knee to a greater being.But is it not rather as shown in Deut 10.12?
“Deuteronomy 10:12
” Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,”Jesus repeated these instructions.
Matt 22
“37And He said to him, ” 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.”And Paul in Romans 12
“Romans 12:1
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worshipAnd Peter in 1 Peter 1
“1 Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus ChristIs this the worship we offer to God alone? I think so.
Hi,
The teaching of scripture through the mouth of Jesus is that true worshipers worship the Father.
Why would men teach instead to worship Jesus?Hi,
Mk 12
” 6Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. “Rev 22:9-Worship only God
Rev 19:-Worship only GodScripture mentions numerous examples of Christ accepting worship.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
The scripture is very clear that Christ is God and is worthy of worship.
Quote (Faith First @ Dec. 01 2006,05:55) Rev 22:9-Worship only God
Rev 19:-Worship only GodScripture mentions numerous examples of Christ accepting worship.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
The scripture is very clear that Christ is God and is worthy of worship.
Hi FF,
Inference is poor evidence.Show us scriptural proofs if you fear the God who told us to abide in the Word.
Quote Scripture mentions numerous examples of Christ accepting worship. Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Hi first faith. In your Bible the word proskyneo is translated as “worship” most likely because the ones who translated your Bible had a trinitarian bias. It could just as easily be translated as “giving obesience” or “bowing down” or several other ways. In the Bible, that Greek work proskyneo and the Hebrew equivalent are also used in reference to humans, to kings, etc. It's clear that it's not always to be translated worship. For example, when they were spitting on Jesus, mocking him, some Bibles say that they were worshipping him. But really, the word proskyneo has the basic meaning of “bowing down” and doesn't always imply worship. In this instance, for example, they clearly WERE NOT worshipping Jesus, but were simply bowing down to him in a mocking way. Yet, some Bible's (such as the KJ) mistakingly translate this “worship.” Other Bibles make the same mistakes.
The point of all this is that you can't look at your Bible and say: See, Jesus is God because he is worshipped, without understanding what the word proskyneo means. People look at this and use it to support the Jesus is Almighty God belief. And when they have that belief, they use that to support the way they translate proskyneo–as “worship.”
It's extremely circular in reasoning.
Nick Hassan quoted:
Quote Hi first faith. In your Bible the word proskyneo is translated as “worship” most likely because the ones who translated your Bible had a trinitarian bias. It could just as easily be translated as “giving obesience” or “bowing down” or several other ways. In the Bible, that Greek work proskyneo and the Hebrew equivalent are also used in reference to humans, to kings, etc. It's clear that it's not always to be translated worship The word proskuneo is a Greek word that literally means to worship, to prostrate oneself in homage, and to do reverence.
Your “translation” of “giving obesience” is from the Jehovah's Witnesses bible, which most Bible scholars agree is dishonestly translated.
Jehovahs Witnesses rely on their own “bible” because they cannot prove their doctrine from God's Holy Bible. Because of this they are widely known as a cult.
Here are some more verses.
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship (proskuneo) him.
John 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
John 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped (proskuneo) him.Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped (proskuneo) him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Matthew 8:1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
Matthew 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped (proskuneo) him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.Matthew 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped (proskuneo) him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped (proskuneo) him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
John 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped (proskuneo) him.
Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.Who is He that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters? Who are we called to worship?
John 1:3 All things were made by him (Christ); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
- Abraham Shachah Almighty God. That, we all need to understand off the bat, that YHWH rules over all. Psa 103:19 YHWH hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.
- Of his son, it is written: Psa 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all [things] under his feet:
- Abraham Shachah the people of the land of his sojourning. (Gen 23:7, 12)
Isaac blessed Jacob and pronounced that he be Shachah by his brethen and nations: Gen 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed [be] every one that curseth thee, and blessed [be] he that blesseth thee.
Jacob Shachah his brother Esau SEVEN times, and his own family shachah Esau. (Gen 33:3f)
Jacob's question to his son Joseph: Shall I and your mother and your brethren come and SHACHAH you? Gen 37:10…Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
Sure enough: Gen 42:6 ¶ And Joseph [was] the governor over the land, [and] he [it was] that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him [with] their faces to the earth.Gen 47:31 And he said, Swear unto me. And he sware unto him. And Israel bowed himself upon the bed's head.
Joseph likewise Shachah is father.Gen 48:12 And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.
Now, it is important to note that although Abraham, Jacob, Joseph were doing all this SHACHAH, that they never for once lost sight of the fact of who their True God is: same with us, in that we honor people under the authority of our YHWH, the Almighty God and Father of Jesus Christ. Those who claim Jesus as Almighty God, cannot help but lose sight of this, and in fact, because that is the unfortunate predicament of serving and worshipping a Trinity.Jacob's utmost acknowledgement: Gen 48:11 And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, GOD HATH shewed me also thy seed.
And time would not permit me to tell you of Joseph who felt that God had blessed him and turned what was meant for evil, for good.
YHWH commands, we shall not Shachah any other Gods/gods or put others besides him or before him. In other words, all revenrence or honor shown to any other person is done in recognition that we have only ONE GOD, THE FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ (Ex 34:14).
Moses Shachah God (Ex 34:8).
The sons of the prophets of God Shachah Elisha: 2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which [were] to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
Ruth Shachah Boaz (Ruth 2:10), Abigail Shachah King David (1 Sam 25:23), Bathsheba Shachah King David 1 King 1:16, 31). I need to go and shachah my own husband too! It's long overdue. What a beautiful thing!
King Solomon Shachah his mother: 1Ki 2:19 ¶ Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.
With this in mind, we see that, it is quite alright to Shachah he who is greater than Isaac, Joseph, Boaz, David, etc. and that we can recognize and give appropriate worship to the Son of God, so long as we do not lose sight, that he is the gift of God Almighty – to whom belong our utmost worship – to us.Blessings.
