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TO ALL……THERE IS A REASON GOD has for the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saint’s. I wonder how many here have ever thought about what that reason is. I believe it’s about a very simple but needfull point GOD the Father want to make. I wonder if anyone of you have ever given that some consideration?
Why would God Bound Satan for that period, and completely also change the very nature of the aninal kingdom? Then at the end of that period of time release SATAN from where he was restrained? What is God showing to all of mankind by this thousand year period?
There is a very simple answer to it all. IMO
WHAT SAY YOU?
peace and love to you and yours ……gene
To all……HERE IS WHAT i believe is the reason for the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saint’s, on this earth. I am sure there maybe other reason also, but this is what i believe is the main reason for it.
First of all i will say that GOD the Father, shuts all mouths by what he brings about in the MILLENNIAL REGIN, HE ANSWERS A HUGH QUESTION that could be brought up in the future, by those thousand years of his kingdom on this earth, and the sudden claps of it all at the end.
Lets think about some of these questions,
First the question about, do we truly need the spirit of GOD TO BE “IN” US, GUIDING US FOREVER. If it weren’t for the thousand year, that question could be thrown up in GOD’S FACE FOREEVER. ANOTHER WORDS , A MAN in the future could say, i could have walked perfectly by myself, had i been taught the truth from my berth , the only reason man failed is because he did not fully know the truth in the first place. But you allowed SATAN TO DECIEVE us and so we sacummed, but had we been taught what was right and your laws and ways before hand, we could have mastered evil on our own.
So mankind has an excuse for their failures as to why they could not on their “own” walk perfectly before GOD. But GOD SEENING AHEAD and wanting to take out of the way any excuse, mankind could come up with, caused the thousand year rule to take place. The proof of the need for THE SPIRIT OF GOD to abide in mankind FOREVER, IS GIVEN AT THE END OF THAT TIME PERIOD.
Now the beginning of that thousand year period is to GOD the Father the beginning of a sabbath time period, same as our weeks time period takes place, Saturday being the seventh day, so with GOD the beginning of the seven thousand year period is a creative sabbath day on all creation. JESUS is sent to earth and the Saints are resurected each having his or her own specifice responsibility to carry out in the earth assisting Jesus the KING , He Comes with great power and authority to execute GOD’S GOVERNMENT ON THIS EARTH.
But other things take place also , we know that serpent Satan, and his evil influence will be cast into a bottomless pit, why bottomless because there is no end to evil it will alway exist. So great is this intervention of removing evil from the earth , that even the very nature of all creation is changed as scripture shows. Peace will break out in all the earth, the only influence will be for the good all the ways of GOD will be taught to everyone on earth, andas the thousand years moves along after so many years the only one alive will be those being born in that time period, and they willbe taught the right way from thei very childhood,the whole earth will be filled withthe knowledg of God, even the weather will become perfect, the whole earth will be at peace for hundreds of years. No evil will be existing in the earth nor it’s inhabitants.
Then at the very end, God releases Satan and his demons upon the earth, WHY? does Godthe Father do that? What reason would there be for doing that, seening all the earth was at peace and walking in all of Gods, way?
What say you?
peace and love to you and yours ………gene
First the question about, do we truly need the spirit of GOD TO BE “IN” US, GUIDING US FOREVER. If it weren’t for the thousand year, that question could be thrown up in GOD’S FACE FOREEVER. ANOTHER WORDS , A MAN in the future could say, i could have walked perfectly by myself, had i been taught the truth from my berth , the only reason man failed is because he did not fully know the truth in the first place. But you allowed SATAN TO DECIEVE us and so we sacummed, but had we been taught what was right and your laws and ways before hand, we could have mastered evil on our own.
So mankind has an excuse for their failures as to why they could not on their “own” walk perfectly before GOD. But GOD SEENING AHEAD and wanting to take out of the way any excuse, mankind could come up with, caused the thousand year rule to take place.
Gene, stop right there.
I thought you said we did not have free will!?
Jesus does not mention a thousand years. The Disciples do not mention a thousand years. Both Jesus and the Disciples/ Paul mention the coming of Christ in final judgment, and an eternal kingdom. Obviously, the thousand years in Revelation is symbolic for something.
To all…..First of all there exists no such thing as a WILL being FREE “ITSELF”. All will are influencable and the MILLENNIAL reign of Jesus and the Saint’s prove that very point clearer then anything else. When GOD REMOVES ALL EVIL influence from the earth, all the world turned to GOD AND WALKED IN HIS WAYS. WHY does that happen, if WILL’S are free and not brought into captivity by what influencing them, why does the whole turn away at the end when evil is released at the end of that time period. The millennial reign proves this point, the only ones who did not turn to evil is JESUS AND THE Sain’t, why , because they have the spirit of GOD ‘ABIDING” IN THEM, and that is how they were kept from falling AWAY, like the rest of the whole world does. SO GOD the Fathers point is this , NO MATTER HOW MUCH RIGHTIOUS AND GOODNESS EXISTS IF EVIL BECOMES PRESENT IT CAN EQUALLY EFFECT THE HUMAN MIND AND BRING IT INTO CAPTIVITY, even if only good existed for thousands of years it could never prevent a person from never chossing evil if that influence was to exist influencibg him. So mankind needs something that will sustain him for ever and that means tge spirit of God must abide in him amd “KEEP” HIM OR HER FOREVER., during the millennial reign the only ones that had the SPIRIT IN THEM WAS JESUS AND THE SAINT’T, and none of them sucum to the evil when it is released again on the earth. Why is that is it not that they are being KEPT BY GOD”S SPIRIT ?
peace and love to you and yours …….gene
Satan is bound for 1000 year period during which time that there is no human vessel for him abide. All of humanity will either be with the Lord, if they are saved, or they will be dead.
Satan will be released when the unsaved dead are brought back to life after that period of time to be judged.
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and eve
It is my free will to reply to you, and so I will, by saying that God will keep you by His Holy Spirit if you want to be kept, but if not, He will not.
Hebrew 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Marty . If AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, “GOD “WORKS” IN ME BOTH TO “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE,” THEN I WILL do “HIS WIIL, ” JUST AS JESUS AND THE SAINT’S DO. How does God work to cause us to do “his” will, and if it is his will that i do should i steal glory by saying it is my so-called “free” will,that has done it?
Paul said “clearly that he found no good thing in his body ,WHY? ,”BECAUSE TO “WILL” WAS PRESENT. YOU NEED that up your desire to have and maintain a “FREE” WILL, WHICH MEANS A WILL NOT “INFLUENCED” AT ALL, OR IT COULD NOT REALLY BE “FREE” NOW WOULD IT?
JESUS SAID “THE SON OF MAN CAME “NOT” TO DO “HIS” WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT HIM”.
Did Jesus choose God, or did God chose him, if he chose GOD then, he has something to boast about right?, Did the deciples choose Jesus or he chose them? So Marty who Willis being DONE IN YOU, YOUR WILL, OR THE FATHERS WILL?
The mankinds “will” can never exist as “free” or it will corrupt that person in time, man requires GODS SPIRIT TO BE “IN” HIM GUIDING HIS WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER. IMO
peace and love to you and yours ………….gene
Hi Gene:
Marty . If AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, “GOD “WORKS” IN ME BOTH TO “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE,” THEN I WILL do “HIS WIIL, ” JUST AS JESUS AND THE SAINT’S DO. How does God work to cause us to do “his” will, and if it is his will that i do should i steal glory by saying it is my so-called “free” will,that has done it?
(If you will just read the scriptures in context, you will see that Jesus had a choice, as he humbled himself and became obedient even unto death on the cross, and we also, have a choice whether or not we will obey. The scripture states that we should work out or salvation with fear and trembling.)
Phil 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Marty……JESUS AND JOHN AND OTHERS WERE ALL PREDESTENED TO DO WHAT THEY DID, IF THEIR WILL WERE “FREE” THERE COULD BE “NO” PREDESTINATION BECAUSE THAT WOULD COUNTERDICT THERE PROPHETIC OUTCOMES. Common sense should tell you that brother. If you maintain a will that is truly free you can not predict any out come of that will. There could be no determinizem and GOD could not say he knows the end from the beginning in humanity at all. ALL WILL’S ARE “INFLUENCED” OR COUNCILED WILL’S, EVEN GOD’S WILL. IMO
peace and love to you and yours ………..gene
Gene,
JESUS AND JOHN AND OTHERS WERE ALL PREDESTENED TO DO WHAT THEY DID, IF THEIR WILL WERE “FREE” THERE COULD BE “NO” PREDESTINATION BECAUSE THAT WOULD COUNTERDICT THERE PROPHETIC OUTCOMES
What you call free will in this statement is not free will. Free will is predictable because it is the will of the individual involved. There is not dice throw when a choice is put before a person but instead that person chooses according to something eternal to them. Given the same exact circumstances a person with free will will always make the same choice. Any soulish creation has the ability to choose.
God knows what will happen because he knows how we will choose in any given situation and he knows what those situations we will encounter as we live life. There is no outside control and if there is an outside “influence” then it is only in dictating the circumstances of each situation.
I know little about the thousand years except is also known as the Messianic Age. The Jews vary in their believes about it as do Christians. Some believe it is symbolic but as far as I can tell that is a more modern point of view. I know that Jesus has been dwelling among believers through the Spirit of God since that long ago Pentecost but John seemed to speak of the Messianic Age as a future event that precedes the World to Come. The Messianic Age occurs so righteousness may be complete.
Hi Kerwin You said:
“I know little about the thousand years except is also known as the Messianic Age. The Jews vary in their believes about it as do Christians. Some believe it is symbolic but as far as I can tell that is a more modern point of view. I know that Jesus has been dwelling among believers through the Spirit of God since that long ago Pentecost but John seemed to speak of the Messianic Age as a future event that precedes the World to Come. The Messianic Age occurs so righteousness may be complete.”
Perhaps that’s because the messianic age has been since Christ, and the understanding of its nature was written in the old testament symbolically, so it is misunderstood by half of Christianity. Or perhaps it was better understood by earlier Christians, but harder to understand today because Satan has been let loose, if that makes sense to anyone here.
Marty….After the thousand years are finished Satan, is released on the earth again and goes out and decieves the nation which ARE IN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, GOD AND MAGOG……notice Marty, those nation are “existing” at that time, it is not talking about the second resurection and the judgement of those who have previously died before the millennial regin. That takes place later. IMO
Marty here is a good analogy, take the life of Job, he was shielded by God and satan could not get to him, as a result he is said to be a “perfect” and “upright” man who one who feared GOD , AND ESCHEWED EVIL. Now Marty consider how he was able to do that, Later Satan says to God, “does Jod fear God for nought, have you not made a hedge about him, and about his house and about all he has on every side? You have blessed the works of his hand, and his substance is increased in the land.”
You see JOB was very much like those who are in the thousand year reign of JESUS AND THE SAINTS, God Ineffect has put a hedge around the whole earth during that time period. But in the end God releases Satan on the earth just as he released satan on JOB.
What did Job do when it was all over, he “REPENTED” saying i have heard about you but now i have see you , wherefore i ABHOR MYSELF AND “REPENT”, IN DUST AND ASHES.
MARTY this is exactly what takes place in thousand year reign of JESUS and the Saint’s, only it occurs on the whole earth. The lesson is without GOD THE FATHER KEEPING US, WE WOULD NEVER EVEN IN A THOUSAND YEARS OF PERFECT GOVERNMENT AND NO EVIL PRESENT MAINTAIN PERFECTION, LESSON THAT SERVES FOR ALL ETERNITY IS, GOD MUST KEEP US BY HIS SPIRIT OR WE BY OUR OWN WILL’S, WILL “NEVER” MAINTAIN TRUE RIGHTIOUSNESS.
peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
Hi GB,
Rev 19.21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,which sword proceeded out of his mouth; and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 yrs were finished…
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And when the 1000 yrs are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison
and he shall go out and deceive the nations.
Do you think that the second resurrection and the release of Satan are instant and contemporaneous?
Nick….nice to engage in an intellegent conversation with you brother, no i don’t think it is instantaneous or contemporaneous . The reason i don’t think that is several reasons,
One DANIEL 7:25 and he shall speak words against the most high, and shall “WEAR OUT THE SAINT’S OF THE MOST HIGH”.
NICK how do you tell people who are walking in all of GOD’S WAYS they need to be saved? These scriptures show it is over a three and a half year time period this all takes place. It also shows that the people will be given into his hand. This takes place after SATAN IS RELEASED from his prison the bottomless pit , IMO. HE WILL GO OUT AND DO WHAT IT SAYS, DECIEVE THE WHOLE WORLD, AND THE SAINT’S WILL BE DRIVEN BACK TO JERUSALEM ALONG WITH JESUS, DANIEL 7:21, ” and I beheld and the same horn made war with the saint’s and prevailed against them”; 22, “untill the Ancient of Days came, and judgement was given to the saint’s of the MOST HIGH and the time came that the saint’s possessed the kingdom”. The people who were in the thousand year kinfdom of JESUS CHRIST, at the end of it, from all over the world will surround the city of JERUSALEM to destory it and the Saint’s of the most high, and fire will come down from heaven and deviror them all.
After all this, SATAN IS BOUND AND CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AND THE FALSE PROPHET AS WELL, THEN COMES THE SECOND RESURECTION AND THOSE WERE JUDGED OUT OF WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS, AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS ALSO CAST IN THE FIRE, WHERE THE BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET WERE CAST.
The fire that comsumes those people at the end of the thousand year period are those who were lead by jesus and the saint’s for a thousand years, but the lesson is, that without the Spirit of God “in” you, no matter how much evil you have been protected from, when it is again reliesed you will be influenced by it to act accordingly, unless the Spirit of the LIVING God “KEEP” YOU. SO MUCH FOR “FREEWILLS” RIGHT?
SO THE PRAYER IS SO TRUE, “may the LORD bless you and “KEEP YOU” may the LORD, make his face to shine upon you and be GRACIOUS unto you, may the LORD lift up his countenance upon you and give you PEACE”.This is the way i see it Nick.
peace and love to you and yours………gene
peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
Gene:
First, I believe Satan is released at the end of the thousand years because God does not want anyone in His Kingdom who has not faced and overcome Satan. Second, when I read Revelation 20: 12 that says “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books” it makes me think that the opening of the ‘Book of Life” means there will be individuals saved after Jesus returns and they prove their faithfulness by resisting and not following Satan.
Yes, I agree that there seems to be unfinished business as it were that is not completed when Jesus returns.Richard of DECATUR …… TO ME the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Sanit’s is for a very simple perpose, and that is to prove a point,and that point is that unless THE LORD GOD KEEP YOU, BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, NO matter how much rightious influence you have been exposed to, even with evil completely removed ,as soon as evil influence become present over time it will cause it’s effect to take root and produce it’s evil in our lives. So the conclusion of the matter, “unless the LORD build the house the weary builders build in vain”,therefore if we are to be kept from evil GOD THE FATHERS SPIRIT, MUST ABIDE IN US FOREVER, TO KEEP US.
So the thousand year reign of JESUS AND THE SAINT’S is simply to prove this once and for all, no more will a man think he himself can by himself maintain true rightiousness with out God’s presents in his life. “THAT GOD MAY BE “IN” ALL AND “THROUGH” ALL.”
Richard is that DECATUR,TEXAS ,I HAVE A LOT OF RELETIVES IN TEXAS , MY SISTER LIVES IN ARBERY, MY FATHER WAS BORN IN SLIDALE TEXAS.
Peace and love to you and yours.
Gene: There is probably a city named Decatur in nearly every state. No, I am not from Decatur, Texas. Thank you for the warm welcome.
You may be right in regard to what happens after Satan is released to some extent. I do not think the ‘whole world and every human living at that time’ will turn against God simply because Satan’s influence is again allowed. Here is what I base my understanding on.
Revelation 20: says, “7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Based on the scriptural account of this event, I conclude that there must be some human individuals living within a place that do not follow Satan. This account says specifically Satan and those that chose at that time to forsake God and follow Satan “compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city.” So, at least there are some within ‘the camp of the saints and the beloved city (which I believe is Jerusalem because that is where Jesus returns to, builds His temple, and I cannot find any scripture that says He abides elsewhere on earth.) I am also optimistic that there may be many human individuals living across the breath of the earth that also do not follow Satan. However, I will concede that this is speculation as I do not have specific or exact scripture to support this.
My reasoning is based on this: Reading the number that follow Satan expressed as great as ‘the sand of the sea’ is the same expression given to Jacob concerning his progeny in Genesis 32: 12. Even as many as that may be, the rest of earth’s population then, today, and very possibly in the future were, are, and could be, a substantial number excluding Jacob’s progeny. Therefore, there could be a substantial number of individuals living across the four corners of the world when Satan is released that do not follow him to destruction.
Again, this is speculation but if you disagree show me scriptural support for your reasoning, otherwise, your view is just opinion like mine.
It is very hard for me to think otherwise than I do. I also believe that when the final tally is made, those who ultimately find salvation in Jesus Christ will out number those who reject God and join Satan in hell will be like comparing ‘the sand of the sea’ to a single handful of sand.
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