Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam???

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  • #864781
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    What do we have in Acts,

    Jesus is David’s son who dies. He is resurrected and on that day he is said to receive the promised Holy Spirit, where on that day he is said to receive the promised mercies of David, where on that day he is said to be begotten by God. Romans 1 tells you that he is the son of David and is God’s Son according to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead. He was God’s Son prior also because he was David’s son who God became a Father to by begetting him with His Holy Spirit, where God then directed ALL his ways, for God was and is now, had come to be ALL in him.

    How he was a Son on earth, is the same way he is a Son now and is the same way that we become children of God, according to God’s anointing Spirit being all in, a calling to righteousness where God directs all your ways.

    Romans 8 tells us that we are to be made into the image of His Son that he might be the firstborn of many brethren, we are told that we are heirs of God joint heirs with Christ, his anointing of the Spirit is our anointing. Moreover as being made into the image of God’s Son, we are Sons by being led by the Spirit of God, we are children by the Spirit bearing witness to our spirit that we are children of God, this was true for Jesus on earth and true for Jesus as he sits at God’s right hand.

    Such makes Jesus be the only mortal man who had been begotten by God in full measure, being fully led in all ways by God’s Spirit, and such makes Jesus now a firstborn of many to come.

    1 Corinthians 15,

    speaking of the resurrected BODY compared to the prior body,

    “it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. the first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.”

    Jesus was born with weak mortal flesh, it could suffer, feel pain, be tempted. He was anointed with the Spirit called to righteousness where God held his hand and kept him from temptation so that he would fulfill God’s covenant and be for a light. He was a last Adam, a human that obeys all of God’s commands, unlike the first Adam. This last Adam died and had his spirit made alive again where he was made into the second man, having a BODY made incorruptible made with power, no longer able to be tempted through weakness and no longer able to die, such is a heavenly body. 

    A spiritual or heavenly body (second man/human) is one that is not weak and able to be tempted, a body that does not have to be served in order to live, in order to survive, but has been set free to serve God. A body that doesn’t have to eat bread also to live, but can now live only by the word of God.

    A last Adam is a type of human unlike the first human, the first human was ignorant and was not led in all ways by God, the last Adam is a type of human that has God all in him, leading all his ways.

    #864782
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    YOU:

    “41 And he (Christ) said unto them,
    How (Jodi and others) say they that Christ is David’s son?

    42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD (JEHOVAH) said unto my Lord (Christ),
    Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord, how then is he (Christ) his (David’s) son?

    Joseph was NOT Christ’s biological father. You clearly got this wrong.
    The second Adam (Last for Pilgrim) is (Christ) the Lord from Heaven Jodi! (see Micah 5:2)

    ME: How is it that David calls his son Lord??…. because David saw his son’s resurrection where he went to heaven to sit at God’s right hand , where David knew that his own son would be appointed as a king of kings and a lord of lords, that is why.

    As said the first Adam did not have God all in him directing all his ways, Jesus however was called to righteousness where God did come to direct all his ways. As we read from Paul that we are joint heirs with Christ being heirs of God we read from Ezekiel that God is going to rest His Spirit upon us also and cause us to walk in all His ways, US BECOMING THE LAST ADAM along with Jesus, and being given the body of the second man, as Jesus did when he rose from the dead.

    #864793
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi, it’s a shame you do not believe Scripture:

    ……………………………..The second man is the Lord from heaven.

    “The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
    Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which
    is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the
    earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.” (1 Cor 15:45-49)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #864795
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    A second or other Adam is another first man.

    All in Adam die, all in Christ shall live.

    The Ordinary Jesus Brigade fails this litmus test.

    They actually teach that they are of the first Adam if they claim their Christ is of the first Adam.

    FAIL.

    #864801
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    .Proclaimer. …..let me clarify it for you and Edj..  if you stick to the “exact wording” if becomes clear.

    First of all no one is saying that the Christos, or (the anointing Spirit ) is, of ADAM,   a human being,   what we are saying is the son of man, better known as ,  Jesus , was from ADAM.  As He said he said he was,  “I am the root and “offspring” of David”  what part of that you people do not understand. That makes him of Adam’s seed  exactly as we are.

    The second Adam  (spiritual man) started “in” him when he was “anointed” with the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) he was then,  “begotten” of God, but was not “born”, until,  he was resurected from the Grave, never to die again,  and then became the second Adam.  

    You problem is, “everytime “, you people see the word “CHRIST”,  you believe it means Jesus.  it dosen’t,  it means the anointing, or one who is anointed,   indeed, the man Jesus,  the Son of David, was anointed, and therefore, “begotten”,  with the Holy Spirit from God. Just as “all” who are “anointed” with the Spirit are Christos also, and are “begotten” childern of God also. 

    So proclaimer, yes all in Adam die, (even Jesus died) , all in the “Christos”  (anointing) shall live.

    Jesus is not “himself” the ANOINTING SPIRIT, OF God,  he is an “ANOINTED ONE”  OF GOD,  Big difference.

    When are you people ever going to get this straight?

    Jesus “himself” is not the “word” of God,  nor is he the “anointing” Spirit of GOD either,  he is an ordinary human being, who has been given the “anointing” Spirit of Gad and sent to tell us “God the Fathers” words.   He did not “prexist his berth on this earth, God the Father took a prophesied  son of King David, who was from the roots of JESSE a human being, and gave him his “Anointing Spirit”, and sent him out into the world to speak the words he told him to say to us.  

    JESUS CLEARLY SAID, “the “words”,  I am telling you are “NOT MY WORDS”.  When are you people going to start believing him? 

    You say you believe him, but in truth deny his words,  the Jesus you people portray, is not the Jesus of the bible, well did he say , “MANY” will come in my name , saying I am the Christ and decieve “MANY”.   If that isn’t the truth,  I don’t know what is.

    Peace and love to you all and yours. ………..gene

     

     

     

     

     

    #864803
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    How is it that David calls his son Lord??….

    YOU: because David saw his son’s resurrection

     

    Matthew 22:41 And the PHARISEES  being gathered together,

    Jesus asked them, 42Saying:

    What think you of Christ? Whose son is he?

    They say to him: David’s. 43He saith to them:

    How then doth David in

    SPIRIT!

    Me: Jodi, WHAT DOES THE WORD “SPIRIT”  TELLS YOU? DOES IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING RELATED TO THE HUMAN NATURE OF JESUS OR TO HIS DIVINITY?

    HOW ON EARTH,  IF JESUS DECLARED THAT DAVID SPOKE IN SPIRIT, AND ACCORDING TO YOU

    HE SAW HIS SON, HIS LORD AS A HUMAN?

    CONSIDERING ALSO THAT ACCORDING TO JESUS 

     DAVID ACTUALLY NEVER SAW HIM,

    BUT ONLY CALLED HIM LORD

    SIMPLY, AS IT WAS A PROPHECY ONLY PRONOUNCED BY DAVID PRECISELY BY

    “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man in DAVID’S HEART, FROM HIS CONCEPTION.

    READ THE PROPHECY NOW:

    44The Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool?

    45If David then called him Lord,

    how is he his son? 

    Now read WHAT was the reaction:

    46And no man was able to answer him a word:

    neither durst any man from THAT DAY FORTH ask him any more questions.

    The above Jodi is a clear and direct reference to THE TRUTH OF

    JESUS’ DIVINITY, SPIRIT,

     

    YOU: because David saw his son’s resurrection

     

    NO Jodi, NOT AS YOU SAID that

    HE SAW HIS SON’S RESURRECTION. HE ONLY REVEALED AND SPOKE A PROPHECY.

    MORE TRUTH:

    The gospel of Matthew reveals that Jesus had asked the Pharisees who was the ancestorial father of the Messiah. While there were many ancestorial fathers that they could have named, there was only one that was important to the Jews, and the Pharisees answered correctly. The Messiah was to be a descendant of King David. Then Jesus asks a difficult question,

    “How does David call . . . Him Lord?” and then He quotes Psalm 110:1.

    The first “LORD” in Psalm 110 is translated from the Hebrew word Yahweh, It refers to God the Father.

    The second “Lord” is the translation of the Hebrew word “Adonai” which means simply Lord but can also refer to God.

    Who was Adonai?

    The Pharisees did not want to explain.

    They realized that TRUTH WAS AGAINST THEM!

    Now that means that King David called someone else

    HIS LORD.

    He was referring to God.

    In Psalm 110:1

    Adonai referred to the Messiah since the rest of Psalms well indicate that

    DAVID’S ENEMIES SERVED HIM AND WERE SUBJECT TO HIM. The Jews of Jesus’ time understood the prophecy to be a reference to the Messiah.

    King David was referring to Adonai as his own Lord.

    How can one of David’s descendants

    be his Lord?

    There is only one ANSWER TO

    Adonai BEING David’s son and also

    SUPERIOR TO DAVID.

    SHALL I LEAVE IT TO YOU Jodi to tell me the truth?

    NO THE TRUTH HURTS YOU, GENE, MIKE, AND ALL THE REST LIKE YOU, HERE IT IS:

     The Messiah was and is also God.

    YOU: As said

    ME: WHERE?

    YOU: the first Adam did not have God all in him directing all his ways, (ARE YOU ABLE TO REVEAL THE TRUTH WHY? NO YOU DON’T) 

    TRUTH HURTS!

    YOU: Jesus however was called to righteousness where God did come to direct all his ways.

    ME: NO Jodi, GOD DID NOT COME, AT CERTAIN POINT IN TIME,

    JESUS HAD GOD ALL IN HIM ETERNALLY AND ON HIS CONCEPTION, 

     

    Luke 1:35 And the angel answering, said to her:

    The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and

    the power of the Most High shall OVERSHADOW thee. And therefore also

    the HOLY which shall be

    BORN OF THEE  ( How was Jesus BORN HOLY of Mary? What kind of birth?)

    shall be called the SON OF GOD. ( FROM CONCEPTION, NOT AT THE RIVER JORDAN)

     

    ARE YOU ABLE TO REVEAL THE TRUTH WHY, NO YOU DON’T

     

    TRUTH HURTS!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #864832
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    YOU:

    “41 And he (Christ) said unto them,
    How (Jodi and others) say they that Christ is David’s son?

    42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD (JEHOVAH) said unto my Lord (Christ),
    Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord, how then is he (Christ) his (David’s) son?

    Joseph was NOT Christ’s biological father. You clearly got this wrong.
    The second Adam (Last for Pilgrim) is (Christ) the Lord from Heaven Jodi! (see Micah 5:2)

    ME: How is it that David calls his son Lord??

    You missed the point Jodi,

    Joseph is NOT Christ’s biological father as Christ came down from Heaven.
    Mary is Jesus biological father, Joseph is NOT Jesus’s biological father!

    #864833
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel…and the rest….Luke 1:3…….He “shall be”  great, and “shall be” called, the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God,  “shall give” unto him the throne of “his Father”,  “DAVID”. 

    WHAT PART OF THAT SCRIPTURE YOU PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND.  let me “try” to  help you a little OK? 

    “shall be”, “shall give”……all future tense expressions, meaning he was not that,  at the time it was written.

    BASIC GRAMMER 101, even a fifth grader can understand that, but you people do not seem to be able to, why is that?

    “of his Father, “DAVID” ,  can anyone here understand that? 

    Here’s more you people can deny,  right from Jesus’ own mouth,

    REV 12:16…….I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you theses things in the churches.  “I am the root and offspring of King David,  and the bright and morning star “.  

    Rev 5:5…..behold the lion of (from),  the Tribe of Judah,  the “root” of David, …..

    2 Ti 2:8…..Remember that Jesus Christ , “of the seed of David , was raised from the dead according to “my Gospel.”   

    At least the apostle Paul sure thought Jesus came from the “seed” of David.  

    But people here  think they know better the Jesus, The angel speaking to Mary in Luke, and the Apostle Paul.  I could give more and more scriptures as BOTH Jodi and I have over and over , but what’s the use, when a person has been given a Deluding spirit from God, they have been blinded by GOD, no one but God himself can change it. “2THS2 “. 

    Peace and love to you all and yours. ……..gene

     

     

     

     

     

     

    #864834
    Ed J
    Participant

    2 Ti 2:8…..Remember that Jesus Christ , “of the seed of David , was raised from the dead according to “my Gospel.”

    Hi Gene,

    Mary, Jesus’ mother, was of the seed of David. You can read how
    her father’s lineage goes back to Nathan, the “son of David”.
    So why do you keep acting like this is unknown to us?

    But the part both you and Jodi get WRONG is: God was Christ’s father.

    “41 And he (Christ) said unto them,
    How say they (Jodi and others) that Christ is David’s son?

    42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD (JEHOVAH) said unto
    my Lord (Christ), Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
    44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord, how then is he (Christ) his (David’s) son?

    Joseph was NOT Christ’s biological father. You clearly got this wrong.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #864835
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj……Where do  you see Jesus denying he was the Son of David,?, he said “how” was he, not he “was not”, the Son of David.  The question Jesus ask was “how was he” Davids son?  He was David Son through his human lineage,  that’s how.  

    Inorder for  false teachers to push the point of A PREEXISTING GOD JESUS,  they have to deny that he came from the “Loins” of King David, that he was not a true descendent of King David.  I gave those few scriptures that prove he was indeed a Offspring of King David, not a “morphed being” from some past existence as all prexisteners “assume”. 

    If God took the DNA from JOSEPH and enplanted it in Mary’s womb  , or just made up the DNA from the linage of King DAVID,  it makes no difference, “all thing”,  are possible with God, but it still does not change what I quoted, from scriptures. Jesus still  was from the Lion’s or lineage of King David even if God  caused it to happen  . THAT’S THE POINT here. 

    Calling someone your  “lord” does not disqualify that person that said it,  from being your Father.  King David was also a lord, himself to.

    Calling Jesus “the Son of God”, also does not “seperate” him from us either, we are all sons of God, even Adam was. According to scripture, that is if you “honestly” believe them.  Jesus said over and over, “our” father in heaven, “your” Father knows,  “your” Father and “my” Father,  on and on it goes through out our bible text. Jesus never ever made himself out to be any different the the rest of his human “brothers and sisters”, only false teachers do that, they turn Jesus into  their God, and worship him as such, all who do that are “IDOLATERS ” .2THS2.  

    So tell us in what way does any of these terms “somehow”  make Jesus  “any”  different then we are,  as relating to  our God and Father,  how does it make “the man” Jesus,  a fellow human any different?  Tell us this do you “truly believe” this,  “but unto us there is “one” GOD , and “one” mediator between God and men,  “the man” Jesus Christ.   Yes or no , please.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

     

    #864844
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    First of all no one is saying that the Christos, or (the anointing Spirit ) is, of ADAM, a human being, what we are saying is the son of man, better known as , Jesus , was from ADAM. As He said he said he was, “I am the root and “offspring” of David” what part of that you people do not understand. That makes him of Adam’s seed exactly as we are.

    He partook of or came in the flesh. He was with God partaking of his nature and emptied himself and came in the flesh as the second Adam. His Father was God. This is all written down for those of the true faith.

    He was not like a good Barabass who scored lots of points and secured the vacant job of messiah as you may as well be saying.

    #864846
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. ….You make it out to be like another “being” of Somekind, decided to be “morphed into a human body”, now let take a look at that in all honesty.

    1……What would that prove,  to any real human being?  “nothing at all”. 

    2…..What example of living a perfect life by a devine being, accomplish in humanity? “nothing”  We already know God is perfect always was and alway will be.

    3…. Is God interested in making an already perfect being into a perfect “human” being? “what’s the purpose in that”? 

    4…Was God pulling a con game on us,  was he being deceptive, by taking someone who was “already perfect” and  deceiving us into thinking he was a “real” human being, exactly like us? “that would prove nothing”

    Thinking that God sent a being “desguised” in the form of a human being to accomplish anything in humanity is apsolutely contrary to the whole creation of mankind on this earth.  It goes completely against what God the Fathers true intentions for mankind was and is.

    It is exactly what Satan wants people to believe, All who preach Jesus as different then his human brothers and sisters, are simply, Satan’s servants preaching his, “Doctrine of SEPERATION “. 

    The reason Satan wants people to believe Jesus is different then us, is because it will cause people to believe they are different, and cause them to think they cannot achieve the exact same thing he did, and therefore lose faith and courage to achieve it.  Jesus out of his own mouth will destroy this “false teaching”,  at his return, 2ths2,  for those who have ears to hear, let them hear.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #864847
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Excellent posts!

    “So proclaimer, yes all in Adam die, (even Jesus died) , all in the “Christos” (anointing) shall live.

    Jesus is not “himself” the ANOINTING SPIRIT, OF God, he is an “ANOINTED ONE” OF GOD, Big difference.”

    “Thinking that God sent a being “desguised” in the form of a human being to accomplish anything in humanity is apsolutely contrary to the whole creation of mankind on this earth. It goes completely against what God the Fathers true intentions for mankind was and is.”

    #864848
    Jodi
    Participant

    This gets to the heart of why I had asked on the other thread as to why God would forgive all sins through the obedience of one man going to die on the cross. 

    The answer has everything to do with the power of our heavenly Father’s anointing Spirit upon a man. 

    Adam and Eve were not anointed with the Spirit, they certainly did not have it without measure, as such an anointing causes you to walk in all of God’s ways, and they did not. God knew they would sin. 

    After that no mortal man but Jesus received the full anointing Spirit dwelling in them, so all were bound to sin also. The law was given that we might know sin, and by knowing it only brought forth sin and more sin. The law does not cause righteousness, God’s anointing Spirit does. 

    God forgives all sins through the ONE MAN because that ONE ANOINTED MAN is an example of what God’s anointing Spirit can accomplish in all men, righteousness. God forgives us because we didn’t receive that which Jesus did, and thus we were bound to sin. Now that we are forgiven and there is no longer the penalty of death for our sins, our faith in God and belief that David’s son became God’s Son according to the Spirit, we are promised to receive that Spirit. As long as that Spirit is dwelling in you, you cannot sin, and if there is no sin there is no death. The son of David had died, his flesh was not allow to see decay, it was raised to life incorruptible, with power and glory, where he received of the Spirit given forevermore.

    God’s promise before the world was of Eternal Life, was in fact a promise of receiving His anointing Spirit being all in you for eternity, why He said in the beginning that He made humans in His own image. Where the Spirit is there is life.

    Man first had to learn that he can do nothing of himself. 

    #864849
    Jodi
    Participant

    Jesus on earth was a human exactly like us, that which separated us from him was God’s Spirit upon him without measure, not that he was some one of a kind type of being.

    You are given two genetic lineages of which both say he came from Adam, one in fact specifically goes all the way to Adam.

    In Adam all are mortal able to die, and Jesus was most certainly mortal and he did die. He overcame, never once giving into temptation aroused by weak flesh, as God had promised to hold his hand and keep him. No other was able to be obedient as he, for he was the only SON OF MAN to have been begotten by God having God direct all his ways, a calling to righteousness.

    If Jesus was not a human just like us then the Gospel is dead. If God didn’t perfect a man through His Spirit, but instead perfected some one of a kind being, we have no hope.

    If he was a human whom God perfected we have hope that his resurrection is in fact our resurrection, his righteousness will be our righteousness. We are to have faith in what God said unto the prophet Ezekiel, that He would give us a new heart of flesh and place His Spirit upon us and cause us to walk in all His ways, just as He does with Jesus.

    There is a reason why we are told that Jesus is a first begotten of the dead, a firstborn of many, resurrected incorruptible, in power and glory, where we are promised to be glorified together with him.

    There is a reason why we are told that the SON OF MAN (anthropos/human) sits at God’s right hand, a son of David and a Son of God according to the Spirit.  

    There is a reason why we are told that the SON OF MAN is returning in our Father’s glory. 

    There is a reason why we are told that the Anointed One, who was raised with his flesh not seeing decay but eternal life, is going to sit upon his father David’s throne according to the flesh.

    There is a reason why we are told that God made earth for it to be inhabited.

    There is a reason why we are told that all flesh shall come to worship YHVH. 

    BECAUSE YHVH made humans in His own image, that is why!!!

    The SON OF MAN who is returning in our Father’s glory, is a human who is the image of the invisible God, and we are to be made in the same image of the Son, so that we will all be made in YHVH’s image, heirs of our God, joint heirs with the anointed Jesus. 

    #864850
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    Matthew 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them,How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

    Jesus Christ (the anointed) IS the Son of David, Jesus acknowledges that in the above passage. Jesus IS a SON OF MAN, a SON OF A HUMAN, who THEN God had promised He would become a Father to. Stop denying God’s word that He gave to Nathan to give to David. Jesus is FIRST a SON OF MAN who THEN God becomes a Father to him, he is NOT a son of a woman who was impregnated by God being a son of God and a one of a kind type of being.

    How then doth David in spirit call his son a lord?

    BECAUSE David knew concerning his son that,  “Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God”.

    David saw his son become a first begotten of the dead where he is given dominion overall the works of God’s hands. David saw himself raised from the dead where he would be subject under his son’s rule, not a typical thing to be under your own son’s authority, hence as to why there is the question, “How then doth David in spirit call him Lord”. 

    The next chapter goes onto say after it ends with verse 45, “…8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

     

     

    #864851
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    “If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?”

    As said Jesus acknowledges that he is the son of David, the question is how is it that he is his son.

    Matthew 1 gives us that answer, 1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas ….And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom begat Jesus, who is called Christ.

    begat — of men who fathered children

    11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

    Ed J, there is NO God impregnating David’s virgin daughter with an already existing son of God combining that son with Mary’s genes to make a son of David.

    It is clear as day, of David’s seed which shall be of thy sons, and God WOULD BE his Father not taking His mercy away from him.

    Romans 1:1-4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 

    Once again Ed J, the promise was NOT that God would take a son from heaven, drain him of his glory and morph him into David’s virgin daughter’s womb with her genes to make a one of a kind type of being. NOT ONLY TOTALLY NOT TRUE, BUT RIDICULOUS TOO!!

    #864852
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    Jesus was anointed at the river Jordan becoming Christos just as was prophesied, being the son of Jesse that God came and rested His Spirit upon, AN ANOINTING, and then God sent this begotten Son of the Spirit out into the world, where he came from heaven, being not of this world, but of the Spirit of God and of the will of God from heaven.

    John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,

    John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

     

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    GeneBalthrop
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    Jodi……AMEN, you have nailed it! , it’s sad to me that these people have been feed all these “lies”,  over so many years,  about “the “man” Jesus,  our lord ,  who is  our elder Brother , that sits at the right hand of his God,  and our God, his Father,  and our Father, waiting to retun to this earth, and rule it, with us, for a thousand years.  This is the “true hope” of the “true servants”  of God, as well as , the hope of eternal life also.  

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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    Ed J
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    Hi Ed J,

    “If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?”

    As said Jesus acknowledges that he is the son of David, the question is how is it that he is his son.

    Matthew 1 gives us that answer, 1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas ….And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom begat Jesus, who is called Christ.

    begat — of men who fathered children

    Hi Jodi,

    Notice how it DOESN’T say: Joseph begat Jesus, but instead says Mary begat Jesus?

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