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am not defending sects, far from it.
The early Christians were also considered by some Jews and Romans to be a sectI am not talking about Sects here but the Cults which are Seventh-day Adventism, Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christian Science. These are Four Major Cults in Christianity.
Carmel……….Yes, Honor Is Honor, but there are degrees of honor and types of honor , my honor of Jesus “is to the “GLORY OF GOD” , your honor to Jesus is, “AS YOUR GOD”, big big difference.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene
Berean, Rather you know it or not you are in a “Cult”, I know how Cults operate I was in one for seven years.
Here is a simple test for you, are you afraid if you turn and leave that church, you will lose your salvation, if you are, then you are in a Cult brother. Just that simple, they have control of your mind .
Peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Here is a simple test for you, are you afraid if you turn and leave that church, you will lose your salvation, if you are, then you are in a Cult brother. Just that simple, they have control of your mind .
Amazing brother Gene, you made it that simple.
“Here is a simple test for you, are you afraid if you turn and leave that church, you will lose your salvation, if you are, then you are in a Cult brother. Just that simple, they have control of your mind .”
Gene
I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT SCARED IF I HAD TO LEAVE THE ADVENTIST CHURCH, BUT REALLY NOT. I FEAR / WILL RATHER THOSE WHO LEAVE IT AND BECOME “JUDAS”
YOU KNOW WHAT JUDAS DID AGAINST JESUS …
Berean…….The same fear is in you to ,by you equating those who leave your church as being a Judas, only proves , your thoughts about yourself and your ties to that church. You are a cult member of a Cult church or you would have never concluded a person who leaves, as a Judas. That is exactly the way the JW’s, WWCG , SDA, MORMAN’S, CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, JIM JOANS, and all the rest of the Cults works, they work through two ways, one is to establish a “FEAR BASE” of leaving them, and the other is giving their Cult members a sense of feeling , as part of the special called and chosen ones, who have the “only real” truth . They make you feel like your one of the “special ” “true ones” , and if you leave, you are as you say, a “Judas”. While all the time their ripping you off, by telling you are under the law of “tithing” and using you to advance their power base to make themselves bigger and richer. The “only reason” any church would teach anyone that they are still “UNDER THE WORKS OF THE LAW”, would be to extract control over them.
peace and love to you and yours Berean…………gene
Rightly caught the man in the trap brother Gene. I am having the same experience with my Co-brother here in India who is a hardcore SDA activist.
Gene
You misinterpret what I told you.
1- my church is not a sect
2- It is a movement willed by God with a powerful message.
3- I am absolutely not obliged to give the tithe or other offerings.Those who appost / apostatize from our church become / will become the worst enemies of those who remain / will remain faithful as in the days of Christ, when Judas betrayed him. I am telling the truth, I am not lying.
Hi Gene,
You: Yes, Honor Is Honor, but there are degrees of honor and types of honor , my honor of Jesus “is to the “GLORY OF GOD” , your honor to Jesus is, “AS YOUR GOD”, big big difference.
Me: Read again the scripture:
John 5:23 That all men may honour the Son, “AS” they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him.
NOW, read what the word AS means:
AS adverb
to the same degree, amount, or extent;similarly;
equally:
NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL Gene!
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Those who appost / apostatize from our church become / will become the worst enemies of those who remain / will remain faithful as in the days of Christ, when Judas betrayed him. I am telling the truth, I am not lying
This is the far cry of any Cult who want to protect themselves with defense mechanism.
Brean……So you and Carmel are alike, right? Then why don’t you believe Jesus is your God , he does.
Well truth be known you two, are more alike then even you realize, you both have left your first love, and made Jesus Christ your “first love” instead of God the Father. Rev 2:4. Even though you truly don’t even believe “exactly” what he said or says. about himself.
peace and love to you and yours Berean……..gene
Berean …..if your church was a true church of God and you were the “true believers”, Then where are all the signs that Jesus said would follow the true believers at?
Mar 16:17…..And these signs shall follow them that believe : In my name they shall they cast out devils : they shall speak in new tongues : (18) they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick an they shall recover.
Are these signs taking place in you Church Berean?
peace and love to you and yours Berean…………..gene
Hi Gene,
You: Brean……So you and Carmel are alike, right? Then why don’t you believe Jesus is your God , he does.
Well truth be known you two, are more alike then even you realize, you both have left your first love, and made Jesus Christ your “first love” instead of God the Father.
Read scripture Gene, in plain simple clear English and
TRUTH BE KNOWN TO YOU MORE THAN EVEN YOU REALIZE!
John12:44But Jesus cried, and said: He that believeth in me, doth not believe in me,
but in him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me,
seeth him that sent me.
Equivalently with the above scripture Gene comes:
HE WHO BELIEVES JESUS AS HIS FIRST LOVE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS BUT ALSO
IN THE FATHER AS HIS FIRST LOVE THAT SENT HIM!
John14:7 If you had known me, you would without a doubt have known my Father also:
and from henceforth you shall know him,
and you have seen him.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
NO JESUS NO FATHER NO FATHER NO JESUS!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel AND ME BELEIVE in the DIVINITY OF CHRIST . VERY SIMPLE.
THE BIBLE THEACH THAT THING.
Without this there can be no SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
John 1:18 …. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 5:35 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE…
Jesus saw HIM the shape of God, since he was WITH HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD (John 17)
HE WAS WITH THE GOD AND WAS GOD IN THE BIGINNING.
You
Are these signs taking place in you Church Berean?
Yes certainly
Personally I am a miraculed, God saved me from a life without a goal and especially from drugs. when I think about it, I tell myself that it really is a miracle for me.
But beware, Satan also works miracles, which is why we must not SWALLOW EVERYTHING WITHOUT DISCERNMENT …
…WE must try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.(1John4:1)
Jesus Said also :
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Jesus could not ALWAYS MAKE MIRACLES BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.(Mathew 13:58)
Berean……No scripture says Jesus ever saw God, your adding your thoughts to scriptures , simple logic should tell you that, if no man ever saw God the Father, then that would include, “the Man”, Jesus too.
That’s your and Carmel’s and all Trinitarians problem, you add words and thoughts to our scriptures and at the same time deny, what other scriptures clearly say, to push your false teaching.
But at this present end time, there is a Hugh last minute “Reformation” beginning to take place in Christendom, it would pay you well to take heed. It’s as if God is giving the fallen churches a chance to repent of all their false teachings.
Go to the internet and type in the “the 21 st Century Reformation” they are preaching the truth about what scriptures actually say about Jesus Christ and God the Father. They are growing very fast as more and more people are beginning to see how much their churches have been lying to them over the years.
peace and love to you and yours Berean…………geneGene
Neither you nor these people are telling the truth about who Jesus Christ really is.
You will never make me swallow that Christ is only a man, and I do not despise the human race as you pointed out to me in another post.Hi Gene,
You: Berean……No scripture says Jesus ever saw God, your adding your thoughts to scriptures ,
simple logic should tell you that,
if no man ever saw God the Father, then that would include,
“the Man”, Jesus too.
Now let’s read scripture:
John 1:18 No man HATH SEEN God at any time:
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON who “IS” in the bosom of the Father, he HATH DECLARED him.
Gene John in the above declared that ONLY JESUS HATH SEEN GOD! Notice, the verb is present perfect tense, which means that the action initiated in the past and continued onto the present, a clear proof of Jesus’ pre-existence.
ALSO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JOHN CONFIRMED THAT
JESUS IS A PARTICULAR AND UNIQUE MAN
SINCE WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH HE WAS ALSO IN HEAVEN IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER. Then John ended and used again the present perfect tense and said that THE FATHER HATH DECLARED HIM, again AN ACTION in the past by the prophets.
John3:13 And no man HATH ASCENDED into heaven,
but he that DESCENDED FROM heaven,
the Son of man WHO IS in heaven.
In the above, this time Jesus Himself declared again the same things first He said that NO MAN HATH ASCENDED EVER into heaven, again present perfect tense, and then He declared that HE DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, which confirmed Jesus’ pre-existence, plus that DESPITE HE WAS ON EARTH, HE IS in heaven.
Gene get this into YOUR CARNAL MIND:
DON’T PUT GOD IN THE SAME BASKET OF HIS CREATURES, ISAIAH 55:8,9. SO FOR GOD, THERE’S NO LOGIC, NEVER MIND SIMPLE LOGIC, WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO HE DOES IT AS HE FEELS FIT.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
Continue from my last post
John5:36 But I have a greater testimony than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to perfect; the works themselves, which I do, give testimony of me,
that the Father hath sent me.
37And the Father himself who hath sent me, hath given testimony of me:
neither have you heard his voice at any time,
nor seen his shape.
OBVIOUS JESUS DID! NO?
ANSWER MR. Gene: ACCORDING TO YOUR CARNAL MENATLITY,
DID JESUS SEE GOD THE FATHER IN RESPECT OF THE ABOVE?
38And you have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him you believe not.
39Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that give testimony of me. 40And you will not come to me that you may have life.
41I receive glory not from men. 42But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.
43I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not:
YOU: if no man ever saw God the Father, then that would include, “the Man”, Jesus too.
WITH THE SAME ARGUMENT AND YOUR SIMPLE LOGIC, THERE ARE OTHER MEN WHO CAME IN THE NAME OF GOD THE FATHER, SINCE JESUS IS A MAN LIKE ALL MEN! NO?
CAN YOU FROM SCRIPTURE NAME ANY PLEASE?
if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. 44How can you believe, who receive glory one from another:
and the glory which is from God alone, you do not seek?
Gene, ANSWER: HOW CAN JESUS NEVER SAW HIS FATHER,
IF JESUS HIMSELF IS THE GLORY FROM GOD ALONE?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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