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- January 7, 2022 at 3:30 pm#894133gadam123Participant
Adam……Your are right , Jesus was sent to his own nation first (the Kingdom of Judah, consisting of the three tribes of Levi, Benjamin, and Judah). Scripture says, ” he came to his own and they received him not”. Jesus also sent his disciples to the ten “lost tribes of Israel “. That is correct , his first focus was on them, and not the Gentiles, but it’s not as if the Gentiles were left out, because he also sent Paul, God the fathers appointed apostle to the Gentiles also. So we’re the Gentiles left out , no, they certainly were not, in fact, there is more of the New Testament scriptures directed to the Gentiles then anyone else.
Hello brother Gene, yes Jesus’ attention was only to his Jewish audience as per the Gospel writings but later Paul and other Christians made it a universal religion. Entire NT is the formation of Christian dogma which is not based on the Hebrew Bible. SDA Church is another cult in the Christianity which manipulates the Torah.
January 7, 2022 at 11:53 pm#895194BereanParticipantSDA Church is another cult in the Christianity which manipulates the Torah.
Proverbs 13: 3
He who watches over his mouth keeps his soul; He who opens big lips runs to his doom.Proverbs 18:31
death and life are in the power of the tongue; Whoever loves it will eat the fruits of it.Matthew 12:
36 I tell you, on the day of judgment men will give an account of every empty word they speak. 37For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.January 8, 2022 at 12:16 am#895195BereanParticipantTHE REMNANT CHURCH
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There were also many false religions which developed around this time, which promoted extra-biblical and non-biblical teachings. So as God was giving light to some of His people and birthing a remnant Church, Satan was hard at work deceiving as many as he could to lead them away from the truth of the Word of God.
Jesus reinforced this. Matthew 5:17-19 NIRV “Do not think I have come to get rid of what is written in the Law or in the Prophets. I have not come to do that. Instead, I have come to give full meaning to what is written. 18 What I’m about to tell you is true. Heaven and earth will disappear before the smallest letter disappears from the Law. Not even the smallest stroke of a pen will disappear from the Law until everything is completed. 19 “Do not break even one of the least important Commandments. And do not teach others to break them. If you do, you will be called the least important person in the kingdom of heaven. Instead, practice and teach these commands. Then you will be called important in the kingdom of heaven.” So we can determine which are true and false Churches by checking which ones follow and teach obedience to all of the Ten Commandments of God, including keeping His Seventh day Sabbath Holy.
Who is the Remnant Church Summary
To determine who is the remnant Church and whether it be one or more denominations, you will need to find a Church who have people displaying the following attributes. They must:
Be a minority, that is, a remnant.
Keep all the Ten Commandments of God including the fourth.
Be Apostolic in nature, similar teaching and belief of the apostles.
Arise after the 1260 years of Papal supremacy which is after 1798.Arise in America, the earth that helped the woman. See verse by verse study on Revelation 12.
Have the testimony of Jesus Christ which is the Spirit of Prophecy or the Gift of Prophecy manifest through a prophet or prophets, Revelation 19:10; 22:9.
Be expecting the Second coming of Christ being the last.
Understand Bible prophecy and 666 and the Mark of the Beast issue.
Be filled with the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the gospel message.
Believe in the Bible as the only source of doctrine.
Believe in the once only atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.
Abstain from cigarettes, drugs or unhealthy eating that damages their bodies, which are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Understand that the dead sleep until the resurrection to life or resurrection to damnation.
Know that hell-fire is an event and that the wicked do not get eternal life and do perish.
Believe in the young age of the earth, and that God created the world in six days.
Believe in Baptism by full immersion of people who have repented and made their own decision to follow Jesus and partake in it.
Believe in the sanctity of marriage.
Believe that Jesus is our only mediator and that only He can forgive sins.
Believe the truth on the Godhead. (Note: The word trinity is not found in the Bible and originated from Tertullian and was a doctrine that was established by the early Catholic Church in the council of Nicea in 325 AD.) See pagan origins of the trinity doctrine. Note that the Seventh Day Adventist Church was raised by God as non-Trinitarian. See how the trinity doctrine got into the Adventist Church.
Believe in being faithful stewards through tithing and offerings.
Be prepared to endure persecution for their faith.
Be a Church that Satan is making war with, that is, incur the wrath of the dragon, eg: Many websites & people attacking it with false rumours.
Be a world wide movement. The Gospel is to be preached in all the world, Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6-12, so it must be a world wide movement.
God’s true remnant Church has the following to look forward to when the New Jerusalem, with the mansions that Jesus Himself has prepared for us eventually comes to rest on the New Earth.
Revelation 21:10-24
“And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; … 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. … 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.”
GOD BLESS
January 8, 2022 at 12:40 am#895198gadam123ParticipantSo we can determine which are true and false Churches by checking which ones follow and teach obedience to all of the Ten Commandments of God, including keeping His Seventh day Sabbath Holy.
So you think your SDA Church is the so called Remnant Church?
January 8, 2022 at 1:00 am#895199BereanParticipantGadam
What I can say and believe is that those who will be part of the remnant church will meet all of the main criteria raised in this study.
January 8, 2022 at 4:25 am#895200gadam123ParticipantHell Berean, thanks for your reply to my query. But the SDA Church and few others want to take only Sabbath and leave out the rest of the Torah from Hebrew Bible. There is no such thing as believing in any Messiah as the NT and the Christianity preach. Jesus the so called Messiah did not fulfill any Messianic requirement as per the Hebrew Bible either. It’s good that the majority of Christianity follow only Sunday stating that the day represents resurrection day of Jesus and follow Pauline doctrines than that of Torah.
So where do you stand?
January 8, 2022 at 4:56 am#895201GeneBalthropParticipantBerean……. What does this mean to you, “By obedience to Law , shall “NO ONE” be “justified” Before God’.
Do you know what it means by this, ‘that those that are under the grace of God “are not under the works of law”, for you are saved by “Grace” Not by works of law”. Here is some more help for you if you can receive it, 1 Ti 1:9, then come and explain that to us if you know?
Tell me Berean, which feast days do you keep, How about the “Feast of tabernacles”, do you keep it? Please show us where “tithing laws” was practiced in the New Testament or was ever mentioned as a requirement to be kept in the Church by anyone.
If what your church is doing is by the “works of Law “, It , and you will fail Berean
Have you ever made the distinction between works of Faith , and the works of “LAW” yet Berean?
peace and love to you and yours Berean………gene
January 8, 2022 at 7:42 am#895202BereanParticipantHell Berean, thanks for your reply to my query. But the SDA Church and few others want to take only Sabbath and leave out the rest of the Torah from Hebrew Bible.
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No, I believe there is a misunderstanding on your part, and because of that misunderstanding you suppose … but the faithful church has done / did what God by Christ commanded: keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12)
Having said that, do you think the blood sacrifices are necessary, and all the annual festivals and all the rituals that go with it …?
There is no such thing as believing in any Messiah as the NT and the Christianity preach. Jesus the so called Messiah did not fulfill any Messianic requirement as per the Hebrew Bible either. It’s good that the majority of Christianity follow only Sunday stating that the day represents resurrection day of Jesus and follow Pauline doctrines than that of Torah.
So where do you stand?
January 8, 2022 at 8:20 am#895203BereanParticipantBerean……. What does this mean to you, “By obedience to Law , shall “NO ONE” be “justified” Before God’.
Gene, GOD GIVE FAITH THAT WORK BY LOVE “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”
Jésus saïd in John 14:15
If you love me, keep my commandments.Because I am saved by grace IN JESUS CHRIST, I CAN AND WANT TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST WHO IS ACTING IN ME BY HIS SPIRIT. I HAVE NO MERIT, BECAUSE ALL MERITS ARE FROM CHRIST WHO OF GOD WAS MADE FOR US WISDOM, JUSTICE, SANCTIFICATION AND REDEMPTION … (1Cor.1: 30)
January 9, 2022 at 3:58 am#895205GeneBalthropParticipantBerean……Where does the father fit in your “salvation” process, seeing you seem to nearly alway just talk about Jesus, and you seem to look at him “only” as your true savior? Where does God the Father appear in you salvation process at?
And you still haven’t answered my questions, do you keep the “feast of tabernacles”, and where did Jesus ever say we are still under the Tithing laws or where did “anyone” in the New Testament writings say that?Brean I believe you are sincerely trying to please God the Father, but putting Jesus Christ ahead or even equal to him is not the way, neither moving him away from our, “exact identity” with him as a fellow human being, and a true “son of mankind” exactly as we are, is either.
Berean, go to the, ” 21st century reformation” < website and listen to what they are saying and you will gain a lot of understanding and become a true part of a remnant church.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean……..gene
January 9, 2022 at 4:07 am#895206gadam123ParticipantHaving said that, do you think the blood sacrifices are necessary, and all the annual festivals and all the rituals that go with it …?
Hi Berean, thanks for reply. The Torah which includes Sabbath and the blood sacrifices is the crux of Hebrew religion but Christianity deviated itself from this very crux of a religion. So why do you want to add a portion of that religion by leaving out the major portion of their religion. This is the reason why I question the essence of your SDA Church which pretends like Judaism by following Sabbath. Even Paul himself negated Jewish rituals like Circumcision, observing the Jewish festival days including the Sabbaths. He was sure that his Gentile converts were not obliged to accept circumcision and many other parts of the Law and he even stated that Christ was the end of the Law.
Please read;
Rom 14:5
Some judge one day to be better than another, while others judge all days to be alike. Let all be fully convinced in their own minds.
Galatians 4:10–11
10 You are observing special days, and months, and seasons, and years. 11 I am afraid that my work for you may have been wasted.
Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Col 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Gal 5:2-4
2 Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 Once again I testify to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the entire law. 4 You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
So why do you pretend to be a Jew instead of a Christian?
January 9, 2022 at 4:40 am#895207GeneBalthropParticipantAdam……Good post brother, Gal 5:2-4 We are being “created” unto good works by the Spirit of God our Father, because it is him that works in us and through us, both “to Will and do of ‘HIS” good pleasure” , just as He did and still Does, in and through Jesus Christ, our brother. This is all done by, the “WORKS OF THE SPIRIT”, of God, not by the “WORKS OF “LAW” WHICH IS ( forced compliance), which God the Father used on those ungodly Israelites of old.
WE ARE A NEW “CREATION”, BEING CREATED BY GOD THE FATHER UNTO VESSELS OF GLORY AND HONOR, AND ALL THING PUT UNDER OUR FEET, EXACTLY AS IT HAS BEEN DONE TO JESUS OUR BROTHER.
peace and love to you and yours Adam……..gene
January 9, 2022 at 4:04 pm#895225gadam123ParticipantAdam……Good post brother, Gal 5:2-4 We are being “created” unto good works by the Spirit of God our Father, because it is him that works in us and through us, both “to Will and do of ‘HIS” good pleasure” , just as He did and still Does, in and through Jesus Christ, our brother. This is all done by, the “WORKS OF THE SPIRIT”, of God, not by the “WORKS OF “LAW” WHICH IS ( forced compliance), which God the Father used on those ungodly Israelites of old.
Thank you brother Gene, I am just highlighting how this Cultic Church wants to prove that it is the true Remnant Church.
January 10, 2022 at 3:45 am#895231gadam123ParticipantCultic Church?
January 10, 2022 at 3:54 am#895232gadam123ParticipantPart 2 here
January 10, 2022 at 4:20 am#895233BereanParticipantGadam,
If you continue to work against God, you will have your salary soon.2 Thess. 1
[6] For it is the righteousness of God to return affliction to those who afflict you,1: 7 and to give rest with us to you who are afflicted, when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven with the angels of his power,
1: 8 in the midst of a flame of fire, to punish those who do not know God and those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
1: 9 Their chastisement will be eternal destruction, far from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might,
1:10 when he comes to be glorified in his saints on that day, and admired in all who believe, …
January 10, 2022 at 4:45 am#895234gadam123ParticipantIf you continue to work against God, you will have your salary soon.
I know to whom I am against. I am against cults. You can’t defend the cults with so called hellish threats.
January 10, 2022 at 6:05 am#895235BereanParticipantGadam
I am not defending sects, far from it.
The early Christians were also considered by some Jews and Romans to be a sect (Acts 24: 5 and 28:22)Acts 24: 5,6 About Paul
“For we have found this man a plague, a creator of dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. He even tried to profane the temple, and we seized him, and wanted to judge him according to our law. ”The charges against Paul were essentially that he was politically dangerous (a plague… a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes) and that he had profaned the temple.
Ancient Judea was filled with would-be messiahs and revolutionaries against Rome. Tertullus wanted to put Paul in the same group with these kinds of terrorists.
The reference to Paul being a Nazarene was intended to connect him to a generally despised and lowly place. It was term of slight scorn used for the followers of Jesus. Nazareth had a poor reputation as a city (John 1:46).
But did Paul profaned the temple?
This was the only really specific charge against Paul; but Tertullus gave no evidence for this charge because there was no evidence. This was a fabricated charge based on rumor only (Acts 21: 26-29).It’s a bit the same with Adventists, many accuse them of being a sect, but all the charges against them are unfounded, far from it. And then in the end, God will recognize his children who belong to him, won’t he?
January 10, 2022 at 11:08 am#895239carmelParticipantHi Gene,
You: Berean……Where does the father fit in your “salvation” process, seeing you seem to nearly alway just talk about Jesus,
John 10:30I and the Father are one.
John14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
John17:11THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee
John17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.
17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
You: and you seem to look at him “only” as your true savior?
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else,
for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son,
that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of Godis eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that
the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Titus 2:13 Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of
our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
You: Where does God the Father appear in your salvation process at?
John5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life:
so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. 22For neither doth the Father judge any man,
but hath given all judgment to the Son.
23That all men may honour the Son, as they honour the Father.
He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him.
24Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John12:44 But Jesus cried, and said:
He that believeth in me, doth not believe in me, but in him that sent me.
John6:40 And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth in him, may have life everlasting,
and I will raise him up in the last day.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
January 10, 2022 at 9:07 pm#895246BereanParticipantAmen Carmel good post
God bless
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