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Question: Who is HE; what is HIS name? THIS IS BEFORE THE BIRTH OF JESUS,SO DONT MENTION JESUS.
In the beginning *WAS* the WORD, and the word was *WITH* GOD, and the WORD *WAS* GOD.
Some prefer AGOD; BUT AGOD WITH NO NAME? (nameless).
Some will say: his name is Micha’el. Is Michael then classed as AGOD?
What about the others? Such as Rapha’el; Gabri’el; Phanu’el? Are they also gods?
Do we worship them as gods, as we worship Micha’el as AGOD? Do we have more than one GOD?
Are they not angelic creatures also? Are we to worship a creature(s) as we worship GOD?Who IS HE? That is with GOD? And what is HIS name? GOD’S name we know.(Jehovah).
WAS GOD WITH GOD? – and then WAS GOD? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
In the beginning; Does GOD have a beginning? Since the WORD WAS GOD.(FULL STOP).
If anyone prefers AGOD,he must have a name. Or He would be AGOD With no name.(nameless)?
Micha’el is no god.(period). Because He dare not to rebuke satan in Jude1:9, which the SON did, when HE was tempted.
He also said: get thee behind me satan.I understand that GOD has no beginning.? But not necessary for AGOD; but still HE must have a name?
Can anyone, clear up the cloud? For many have gone through this for along, long time.
Please help; for it is important to know the God we are worshipping. (quote) So that they may know; that I AM THE LORD.
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know. from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is NONE ELSE. (full stop). What about this AGOD? Something is not right here. Shall we just reconstruct the scriptures,
every time things don’t match up?Are we worshipping, and praying to an unknown God still? This is what Paul said to the Greeks did’nt He
Is this why JESUS said; no one knows the SON and the FATHER? (Luke 10:22).
Or did he have just too much wine?Shalom.
wakeup.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
All those erroneous doctrines stem the same fallacy – that fallacy that you yourself also believe.
“The Word” *ISN’T* God’s offspring, but The Father of God’s offspring. (ref. Heb. 7:28, 1Pet. 1:23)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODMany beings are described as gods even if they are never actually called a god. e.g., the Judges were called gods and as far as I know not one is called a god or god. e.g., Nicodemus the god…
Same with angels. They are described as being elohim, yet I don’t know anywhere where they are called Michael the god or Gabriel a god.
The word elohim is even used in scripture to refer to an earthquake. What it means is a mighty earthquake and not referred singly as a god ever. e.g., the ‘Christchurch Earthquake god in 2011 destroyed the city’ doesn’t make sense. But ‘a mighty earthquake in 2011’ does make sense.
This is the main difference I have with @Mikeboll64. Not a biggie though because it is not a salvation issue or anything serious like that.
Question: Who is HE; what is HIS name? THIS IS BEFORE THE BIRTH OF JESUS,SO DONT MENTION JESUS.
Let’s join some dots. I won’t mention anything. I will let scripture do it.
- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was g/God.
- The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
- For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
- but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
HI Edj.
God produces an off spring? That would make it two. God and His off spring.
**BESIDE ME** there is no saviour. (NON).(PERIOD).(FULL STOP).
DONT TRY TO STRETCH IT TO YOUR SHAPE LIKE MANY DO.wakeup.
HI Edj.
God produces an off spring? That would make it two. God and His off spring.
**BESIDE ME** there is no saviour. (NON).(PERIOD).(FULL STOP).
DONT TRY TO STRETCH IT TO YOUR SHAPE LIKE MANY DO.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
What do the words “Son of God” mean to you?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODEDj.
The Son of God means HE is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
But you are speaking of after His birth.
Explain Him before His birth. In the beginning….wakeup.
t8.
Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, **LORD GOD ALMIGHTY**, which was, and is, and is to come.
Revelation 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to HIM that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship HIM that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord (GOD almighty), to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things,
AND FOR THY PLEASURE THEY ARE AND WERE CREATED.For in him (JESUS) all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.
ALL THINGS CREATED FOR WHOM? IS IT FOR GOD OR FOR JESUS? CAN NOT BE FOR BOTH?
BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR. WHAT IS GOING ON?
MANY ARE STILL IN THE DARK.TRYING TO FIND THE WAY.wakeup.
This explains it.
- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was g/God.
- The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
- For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
- but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
He is Michael, he sent Gabriel to tell his soon to be earth mother Mary what his Jewish name would be while on earth. He has now returned to heaven and is known among his many inhabited worlds as “Christ Michael”. Some 50 years after he returned to his place in heaven, his apostle John was given a revelation while in exile on Patmos. Within the surviving fragments of that great revelation, we can see his name Michael as that revelation discussed the previous “war in heaven” that was terminated while Michael was on earth as Jesus.
Terrarcicca, the Michael of the Book of Revelation is NOT referred to as an archangel or the archangel of Daniel.
Like Michael Jorden was a basket ball player, we don’t just assume that he was the archangel of Daniel.
Spock…… so you believe Jesus was the arch Angel Michael, right?, then he will not be in the world to come, WHY? BECAUSE scripture says, “FOR HE (GOD) HAS NOT SUBJECTED THE WORLD TO COME UNTO ANGELS”
Heb 2:5……> “For unto angels has he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.”
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
No, I believe Jesus was simply Michael the creator Son. While on earth he was Jesus, he went back to Heaven and is now known as Christ Michael.
The Jews had a belief that an archangel named Michael was their overseer.
Spock……..While you may believe that, we need to see scripture that says that, i have never seen that written in scripture that Jesus had a preexisting name of Michael, scripture only mentions Michael as an arch angel. Many people read all kind of things into scriptures that are not SPECIFICALLY said, all the time.
peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Gene, the Michal of revelation is not called an Archangel. People just assume they are the same.
The Michael of Numbers is not called an archangel:
Numbers 13:13
from the tribe of Asher, Sethur the son of Michael;
Its not enough to provide proof using only the limited Bible books for the name pre-existing before Jesus came down from heaven, but then again some here don’t even believe he was an eternal personality before he incarnate in Mary.
I don’t know what is wrong with this web site, I can see Wakeup replies in the “latest topics” section but not on the thread itself. I get emails to moderate but I’m not a moderator, Its weird!
But anyway, Wakeup, your holier than everyone else, your way is the only way, is still just more silliness. According to the “scripture” before Moses there was no scripture. God is the Word, man writes his opinions about God and history then calls it Gods word.
@Spock,
If someone responds to you by hitting reply, I think the response goes somewhere other than on this thread. It goes to your profile activity area, I think…If you put the @ before the name of the person that you are responding to instead of hitting the reply tab, the person gets notified that you mentioned them. It is a new system and I am still trying to figure it out.Anyway, I was wondering since you do not believe the Son, before He came in the flesh, was an angel being…what type of being do you think He was?
God bless!
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