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And Jesus prayed that we also would be one with himself and the Father.
That does not make us God so what is the point you are making?
What point are YOU making – are you one with God as Jesus prayed…?
Or this another of your useless arguments…?!
Hi davidl,
You seemed to imply that Jesus being one with God made him one and the same as God.
Since Jesus wants the same relationship between us and the Father and him would that make us GOD?
Hi davidl
He is not God the Father – yet He is God, and there are not two…so how do you work that out..?
– He was with God…He was God..(revelation).
The Word was God is what scripture says
But you change that and say the Word IS God.?
The Word was God is what scripture says
But you change that and say the Word IS God.?
Jesus descended from the Father (with God, was God) and became a man – now He has been exalted back into the presence of God with the glory He had with the Father before the world began… isn’t this what Scripture says…?
You seemed to imply that Jesus being one with God made him one and the same as God.
Since Jesus wants the same relationship between us and the Father and him would that make us GOD?
If you can say (as Jesus did), that you are one with the Father, then I’ll believe Jesus was nothing more than an ordinary human, as you say..whom God spoke through the same way He spoke through the prophets
And if you really believe that this oneness Jesus prayed for has somehow been accomplished on earth, then please enlighten us with some examples of this…and perhaps prove that my perception of your motives in using this verse (as a deceptive and meaningless ploy), is wrong.
Hi Davidl,
Did the apostles prove their unity in the Spirit with God by continuing to do miracles?
Peter and Paul raised the dead.
Would you not accept this evidence
The Pharisees persecuted Jesus and always tried to find fault with him. They disagreed with Jesus weird view of scripture and accused him of being in a cult. They eventually proved instrumental in Jesus execution.
Paul was a Pharisee and he repented and became one of the greatest men of God, so Pharisees can change. For Paul the change happened when he realised that he was persecuting a risen Jesus Christ.
So it is today. Pharisees haven’t changed and Jesus said that those of him would suffer in the same way as him. If they did it to him, they would do it to us.
But to be persecuted and accused because we espouse Jesus teachings and follow him, is a privilege.
For us there is one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. Our Father is the one true God and the one he made Lord is his son. We will continue to teach the foundation of the Church and we know that the Gates of Hell will never prevail against it. Amen.
Hi davidl,
It is the Holy Spirit that did the miracles through Jesus
and through the Apostles.
That is unity
So who is The Most High, is it Jesus or his Father?
bodhitharta,
The Father is always the most high AS A SPIRIT!
The Son is also the most high but BOTH AS A SPIRIT AND FLESH BEING.
AFTER THE GLORIFICATION AND UNIFICATION OF BOTH JESUS AS MAN, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.
SUPERIOR THEN THE FATHER !
THE FATHER DOES NOT POSSESS THE FLESH SUBSTANCE HIMSELF YET!
HE WOULD BE ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHEN HE WOULD BE ALL IN ALL !
BUT THE FATHER,THROUGH JESUS’GLORIFICATION ENRICHED HIMSELF TO THE EXTENT, THAT HE IS HAVING AN ENDLESS REST!
HE ACCOMPLISHED HIS KINGDOM TO BE , DECLARED SO FROM THE CROSS, AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME FOR THE PROCESS TO BE CONCLUDED!AND ONE MILLION YEARS IS EQUIVALENT TO ONE SECOND FOR GOD!
The Father could never and will never manifest himself since he was and still is a unique irresistible spirit!
JESUS IS GOD’S MANIFESTATION! GOD’S SUPERIORITY OVER THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES! AND ONLY IN,AND BY JESUS EVERYTHING IS SUSTAINED! THE FATHER CANNOT SUSTAIN THE EVIL IN EXISTENCE, UNLESS THROUGH HIS SON, “THE WORD” FROM THE VERY BEGINNING!
Satan took advantage of this rather a kind of handicap for God, so he proclaimed himself as god of the world unless God manifested himself in the truth as man on earth! TO BE PRECISE:
GOD’S SPIRIT WITHIN A FLESH BODY! the way Satan was in full authority, BUT THROUGH THE” WORD” FROM WITHIN HIMSELF on earth till Jesus came!
But to do so God,SINCE HE IS OMNIPOTENT could in no way contain the least element/process of earth,since earth was Satan’s,
and an earthly man EVEN DIVINE WOULD BE in debt to Satan! WHICH IS PURE NONSENSE!
Therefore could not meet the criteria!
SO JESUS WAS THROUGHOUT HEAVENLY DIVINE BEING BOTH IN FLESH AND SPIRIT,THE ESSENCE AND THE GENUINE SUBSTANCE OF GOD THE FATHER!
SO JESUS’ FLESH AND BLOOD BODY “THE WORD” CONTAINED LIFE IN ITSELF, NOT LIKE OURS DEAD THROUGH SIN, AND SUBJECT TO SATAN, DECLARED BY JESUS:
THE SON HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF AND
HE HAS NOTHING IN ME
HOW ON EARTH THE THE MOST POWERFUL IRRESISTIBLE SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY COULD ABIDE IN SOMETHING LESS?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi davidl,
Yes we both enjoy defending the integrity of scripture against the vast tide of human alternatives offered.
We represent no denomination as God is nondenominational.
We hope to snatch brands from the fire
Hi davidl,
The unity that Jesus described is unity in the Spirit.
The apostles demonstrated the same spiritual unity with God and His Son.
Jesus Christ did not pre exist except in the foreknowledge of God I Peter 1:20 ASV
who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake,
God speaks of those which be not as though they were. Romans 4:17
(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God did the creating. His son was the one for whom He created. God created with His son in mind. God foreknew Adam and Eve’s sin and thus planned ahead for a redeemer.
He had to provide a sinless man to redeem mankind. That man was Jesus Christ the son of God.
To be just and legal, only another man could redeem mankind.
By the man Jesus Christ did the gift of God’s grace, salvation, become available.
Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Hi SOG,
The man Jesus was conceived and born as a son of Adam[Jb 25]
Jesus was tempted in every way we are.[heb 4]
He was an overcomer.[rev 3]
Found clean at the Jordan he was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.[Acts 10]
We can follow such a man.
And Jesus prayed that we also would be one with himself and the Father.
That does not make us God so what is the point you are making
Nick,
AN ANALOGUE:
PETER IS THE CLOWN NAMED JOJO IN A PARTICULAR SHOW,
SOME KNOWS HIM AS PETER, AND SOME KNOWS HIM AS JOJO! SO
PETER IS JOJO, OR
PETER WORKS AS A CLOWN NAMED JOJO, OR EVEN STILL:
PETER’S JOB IS TO DRESS AS A CLOWN AND MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH UNDER THE NAME OF JOJO!
THEN I WILL ASK:
WHO IS THE CLOWN?
THE ANSWER WOULD DEFINITELY BE:
PETER! WAIT, WAIT JOJO!!
SO WE ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE!
THE CLOWN JOJO IS PETER, AND PETER IS JOJO THE CLOWN OR
PETER IS JOJO, AND JOJO IS PETER
SO PETER AND THE CLOWN JOJO AND SO ON ARE ONE SAME PERSON!
BUT PETER IS NOT THE CLOWN IN THE TRUTH SINCE THE CLOWN IS JUST A FABRIC COSTUME WITHOUT LIFE, AND PETER IS A HUMAN BEING IN FLESH AND BLOOD FULL OF LIFE! SO THERE’S NOTHING IN COMMON BETWEEN THEM!
NOW WHEN WE APPLY THE SAME ANALOGUE TO JESUS AND THE FATHER, WE ARE AWARE THAT:
WHILE JOJO THE CLOWN IS A MERE FABRIC COSTUME, AND PETER IS A HUMAN BEING IN FLESH AND BLOOD,
JESUS IS THE SAME SUBSTANCE, AND THE GENUINE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER!
SO THIS MEANS THAT JESUS ON HIS OWN HAS LIFE, ALTHOUGH SEPARATED FROM THE FATHER AS AN ENTITY!
WHICH THE FABRIC COSTUME DON’T HAVE!
SO THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER AND JESUS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ONENESS OF PETER AND JOJO THE CLOWN!
NOW WHEN WE APPLY THE ANALOGUE TO OURSELVES WE ARE AWARE THAT:
OUR FLESH AND BLOOD BODY IS EQUIVALENT TO THE FABRIC COSTUME DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO LIFE IN ITSELF, IT DIES WHEN THE SPIRIT LEAVE THE BODY!
SO THE ONENESS BETWEEN OURSELVES AND JESUS IS MORE OR LESS THE SAME AS THE FABRIC COSTUME AND PETER!
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ONENESS OF JESUS AND THE FATHER!
BUT ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD IN THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB, WE WOULD RECEIVE A NEW BODY DIRECTLY FROM THE FATHER, AND THIS BODY WOULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD THE FATHER TO BE ALL IN ALL,
THEN WE WOULD BE IN THE TRUTH IN THE ONENESS OF GOD!
WE WOULD BE GODS IN THE TRUTH!
AND THIS BODY IS
THE BRIDE!
AND THE BRIDE IS:
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE ETERNAL LIFE, WHICH WAS IN THE FATHER!
BEFORE THE VERY BEGINNING!
and we would be totally made ALL
BY, IN, AND FOR “THE WORD” IN SPIRIT, SOUL AND FLESH ONE ENTITY IN A TRIUNE FORM OF GOD!
John 3:29 He that HAS THE BRIDE, is the THE BRIDEGROOM:…….
AND JESUS’ UNIQUE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY, IS
“THE WORD”
THE TRINITY OF GOD,
THE GODHEAD
IN FLESH AND BLOOD!
THE BRIDEGROOM
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
NickHassan,
So you admit to using unoriginal arguments…
The unity that Jesus described is unity in the Spirit.
The apostles demonstrated the same spiritual unity with God and His Son.
..if what you say is a true representation of the Scriptures, then you should be able to answer my original question – What apostle of Christ ever said – or could have said, “I and the Father are one.”…?
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I know you hold the vainglorious notion of being persecuted for Jesus.. when in fact every true follower of Christ would run from your teaching, as they would an impostor who has not the Spirit, but teaches according to his own natural wisdom..
Professing to teach truth – you have fallen into false doctrine… denying the very reality of Jesus Christ (foundational truth of the Christian faith), you twist God’s Holy Word to your own confusion… refusing to let go of your man-made deception you continually resist the truth just like those old stiff-necked ancestors before you..
Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, and all those who are His also reject and hate what is false…especially when it concerns the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ Himself…!!!
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