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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,04:35) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,23:02) I am taking it in chronological order though it seems to disagree at some points with the words in Job. God chose to dress in light and then planted beam of his chambers in the waters of earth. He then made the clouds his chariot and walks on wind. After that he made the angels and then laid the foundation of the earth. It goes on to say he flooded it.
But you are assuming that the waters, clouds, and winds are earth related.That's an absurd assumption considering that, chronologically speaking, God hadn't yet even laid the foundations of the earth.
But yes, the flooding of the earth would definitely come after these other things, since the passage seems to be in chronological order.
Also, remember that in New Jerusalem, there will be no need for sunlight, since God Himself will light the city. So don't confuse yourself, thinking there is only ONE kind of “light”.
Mike,I am assuming that all those things are earth's as the story of creation and Scripture in general is earth centered.
I don't know what Scripture calls the foundations of earth.
At the least it would be a water flooded ball of land. The clouds on the other hand would be in the firmament that was also named heaven and so would be in addition to the water covered ball of land. It may be heaven was also constructed in the same way and that God set the pillars of his chambers in its waters. There is just nothing in Scripture to support that hypothesis.
It is definitely speaking of earth when it mentions the flood and in verses 16-18 as Lebanon is mentioned so there is nothing that shows a transition from one realm to the other.
For reference:
Psalm 104:16-18
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)16 The trees of the Lord are full of sap;
the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;
17 where the birds make their nests:
as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.
18 The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats;
and the rocks for the conies.Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,05:53) Wakeup, Quote THAT WORD IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE;YOU MUST HAVE PICKED THAT UP SOMEWHERE IN BABYLON.PARALELL;BIG BANG;
STRING THEORY.Dont pick up anything from babylon and incorporated it into the scriptures.Are you really as “unlearned and unstable ” as those words seem to say?
I doubt it so stop speaking “as one of the foolish women speaketh” and start speaking as the wise.
Answer my point instead of making false accusations against your neighbor.
Note: Where in Scripture did I quote those words from?
Kerwin.Those are just familiar words of babylon.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,13:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,04:35) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,23:02) I am taking it in chronological order……….
But you are assuming that the waters, clouds, and winds are earth related.That's an absurd assumption considering that, chronologically speaking, God hadn't yet even laid the foundations of the earth.
Mike,I am assuming that all those things are earth's as the story of creation and Scripture in general is earth centered.
Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Scripture speaks of both water and pillars that are in HEAVEN, and have nothing to do with the water and pillars of the earth.
So take it in a completely chronological order, and start “assuming” that all things mentioned refer to things in HEAVEN – up until the point the foundations of the earth get laid.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,19:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,05:53) Wakeup, Quote THAT WORD IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE;YOU MUST HAVE PICKED THAT UP SOMEWHERE IN BABYLON.PARALELL;BIG BANG;
STRING THEORY.Dont pick up anything from babylon and incorporated it into the scriptures.Are you really as “unlearned and unstable ” as those words seem to say?
I doubt it so stop speaking “as one of the foolish women speaketh” and start speaking as the wise.
Answer my point instead of making false accusations against your neighbor.
Note: Where in Scripture did I quote those words from?
Kerwin.Those are just familiar words of babylon.
wakeup.
Wakeup,No, I quoted them from the AV of the KJV. Do a search of it.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2013,22:02) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,13:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,04:35) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,23:02) I am taking it in chronological order……….
But you are assuming that the waters, clouds, and winds are earth related.That's an absurd assumption considering that, chronologically speaking, God hadn't yet even laid the foundations of the earth.
Mike,I am assuming that all those things are earth's as the story of creation and Scripture in general is earth centered.
Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.Scripture speaks of both water and pillars that are in HEAVEN, and have nothing to do with the water and pillars of the earth.
So take it in a completely chronological order, and start “assuming” that all things mentioned refer to things in HEAVEN – up until the point the foundations of the earth get laid.
Mike,Where does Scripture speak of bit water and pillars that have nothing to do with earth?
Do you have a meaning from Scripture for the clause “foundations of earth”?
To All………Caution, When we try to apply something Spiritual to something Physical we can get into all kinds of confusions, Take the Term Light for instance, It in a Physical sense, comes from the sun and lightens the earth, allowing us all to have “PHYSICAL” awareness of things, but if it is used in a “spiritual” sense, it enlightens our minds and brings about mental awareness, Just as the sum enlightens the earth and brings about physical awareness.
They are different but in what way are they different, trying to apply them without understanding the difference in there specific applications causes confusion. The reason they have no need of the sun in the city of God is because , the city of God is a city or group of people who are being spiritually enlightened in there minds continually they are being keep by God continually. They don't “need” the sun to see “mentally” (spiritually), but does that mean there will be no sun light there Physically, in Physical cities of God , no it does not mean that.
I believe there will be Physical cities in this earth inhabited by physical “Spiritually” “enlightened” human beings, or why would it say the “MEEK” shall inherit the earth If that were not the case> IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………..gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02) Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Kwerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus , but can produce no one scripture that shows us any activity of Jesus before his berth on the earth. Now if that's not a Joke i don't know what is. peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,23:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02) Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Kwerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus , but can produce no one scripture that shows us any activity of Jesus before his berth on the earth. Now if that's not a Joke i don't know what is. peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
GENEyou seem to connect more with the koran than with the scriptures
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,01:39) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,23:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02) Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Kwerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus , but can produce no one scripture that shows us any activity of Jesus before his berth on the earth. Now if that's not a Joke i don't know what is. peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
GENEyou seem to connect more with the koran than with the scriptures
T,Gene has a point about assumptions. Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
You assume Jesus is an angel even though it is not written in the bible. The opposite is written in the AV of the KJV as Hebrews 2:16.
Hebrews 2:16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
In addition he is called a man in scripture but never an angel.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,11:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02) Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Kerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus……..
Gene,There are three different scriptures that plainly say all things were created through Jesus. It's not an “assumption” on my part at all.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,11:14) Mike, Where does Scripture speak of bit water and pillars that have nothing to do with earth?
I'll get back to you on that one. I'm using my phone right now…… not my computer.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,01:57) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,11:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02) Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Kerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus……..
Gene,There are three different scriptures that plainly say all things were created through Jesus. It's not an “assumption” on my part at all.
Mike,You assume those Scripture are supporting your doctrine.
k
Quote You assume Jesus is an angel even though it is not written in the bible. The opposite is written in the AV of the KJV as Hebrews 2:16. HEB 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
HEB 2:15 and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.
HEB 2:16 For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.
HEB 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.did Christ is an angel (messenger) yes he his ,before coming to earth was Christ an angel being ? NO,he was a spirit being like his father is ,because he his the only one that was created by the father himself COL 1;15.16
AND YOUR SCRIPTURE DOES NOT SAY THE CONTRARY BUT REINFORCED WHAT COL;1;15-16 SAYS
BY SAYING ;He had to be made like His brethren in all things IF CHRIST ADD TO MADE LIKE HIS BROTHERS HOW WAS HE BEFORE HE WOULD BE LIKE THEM ???HEB;2;17
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55) Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach.MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological order….. and the fact that the laying of the foundations of the earth come AFTER the other things mentioned.
It is a safe assumption.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55) Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach.MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological order….. and the fact that the laying of the foundations of the earth come AFTER the other things mentioned.
It is a safe assumption.
Mike,You don't know what the foundations of the earth are.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,01:57) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,11:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02) Well, there ya go. You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right? You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.
Kerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus……..
Gene,There are three different scriptures that plainly say all things were created through Jesus. It's not an “assumption” on my part at all.
Mike,You assume those Scripture are supporting your doctrine.
Hmmmmm……..ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH JESUS.
That is what two of those three scriptures explicitly say, Kerwin.
Seems like a safe assumption to me.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55) Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach.MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological order….. and the fact that the laying of the foundations of the earth come AFTER the other things mentioned.
It is a safe assumption.
Mike,You don't know what the foundations of the earth are.
I know the word “foundation” refers to the BEGINNING of something. You apparently DON'T know this kindergarten-level understanding.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:14) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55) Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach.MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological order….. and the fact that the laying of the foundations of the earth come AFTER the other things mentioned.
It is a safe assumption.
Mike,You don't know what the foundations of the earth are.
I know the word “foundation” refers to the BEGINNING of something. You apparently DON'T know this kindergarten-level understanding.
Mike,You are correct that is a kindergarten understanding. There is a more advanced and therefore accurate understanding.
Proverbs 8:27-29
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 when he established the clouds above:
when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 when he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when he appointed the foundations of the earth:The same order is here except the foundations are appointed after the he gathered the waters together on the Third Night and Day. Of course you can claim that also happened in heaven.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:14) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55) Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach.MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological order….. and the fact that the laying of the foundations of the earth come AFTER the other things mentioned.
It is a safe assumption.
Mike,You don't know what the foundations of the earth are.
I know the word “foundation” refers to the BEGINNING of something. You apparently DON'T know this kindergarten-level understanding.
Mike,You are correct that is a kindergarten understanding. There is a more advanced and therefore accurate understanding.
Proverbs 8:27-29
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 when he established the clouds above:
when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 when he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when he appointed the foundations of the earth:The same order is here except the foundations are appointed after the he gathered the waters together on the Third Night and Day. Of course you can claim that also happened in heaven.
kPr 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pr 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.you forgot these verses
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2013,02:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:14) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55) Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.
In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach.MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological order….. and the fact that the laying of the foundations of the earth come AFTER the other things mentioned.
It is a safe assumption.
Mike,You don't know what the foundations of the earth are.
I know the word “foundation” refers to the BEGINNING of something. You apparently DON'T know this kindergarten-level understanding.
Mike,You are correct that is a kindergarten understanding. There is a more advanced and therefore accurate understanding.
Proverbs 8:27-29
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 when he established the clouds above:
when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 when he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when he appointed the foundations of the earth:The same order is here except the foundations are appointed after the he gathered the waters together on the Third Night and Day. Of course you can claim that also happened in heaven.
kPr 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pr 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.you forgot these verses
T,No, I did not forget them. They simply have no bearing on the conversation I am having with Mike.
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