When Jesus became the Anointed of God

[NickHassan]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,12:26)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:20) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,11:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15) Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit     Hi T, Why does scripture amuse you? Is it wise to mock scripture? N it is the paradox in you that make me luff,you quote scriptures to make them say what you want ,this is why you quoting only partial scriptures ,you compose your own , and what is more you do not believe what is written in them

Hi T,
So you think the scriptures quoted are taken out of context and that changes their meaning?

Then please expound for us the scriptures shown and prove your allegation.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:37)

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,12:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:20) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,11:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15) Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit     Hi T, Why does scripture amuse you? Is it wise to mock scripture? N it is the paradox in you that make me luff,you quote scriptures to make them say what you want ,this is why you quoting only partial scriptures ,you compose your own , and what is more you do not believe what is written in them Hi T, So you think the scriptures quoted are taken out of context and that changes their meaning? Then please expound for us the scriptures shown and prove your allegation.

N

Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.HIS THIS CHRIST ??

Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.IS THIS JESUS TALKING ?DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS ?? AND UNDERSTAND THE WORDS LIKE HE SAYS THEM

Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE WORDS ???AS THEY ARE WRITTEN

Jn 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
Jn 6:47 I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.DO YOU BELIEVE CHRIST IF NOT YOU MAY HAS HE SAYS NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS,

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You did not discuss the scriptures you judged?

Then we can address how you will not accept jn 7.16f

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,20:03)

Hi T, You did not discuss the scriptures you judged? Then we can address how you will not accept jn 7.16f

N

sure I believe in John 7;16

but do you believe in this one ;

Jn 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

and tell me were is written the will of God ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2012,19:28)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:26) Hi T, Why would you take up arms against scripture? ???????

Just let it go in one ear and out the other, Pierre.

The vast majority of Nick's posts are gibberish anyway.

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

You say “the Word was God”.

Was there ever a time when the Word STOPPED being God?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
When the Word became the Son of God the spiritual unity remained.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,07:56)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:37) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,12:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:20) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,11:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15) Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit     Hi T, Why does scripture amuse you? Is it wise to mock scripture? N it is the paradox in you that make me luff,you quote scriptures to make them say what you want ,this is why you quoting only partial scriptures ,you compose your own , and what is more you do not believe what is written in them Hi T, So you think the scriptures quoted are taken out of context and that changes their meaning? Then please expound for us the scriptures shown and prove your allegation. N Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.HIS THIS CHRIST ?? Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.IS THIS JESUS TALKING ?DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS ?? AND UNDERSTAND THE WORDS LIKE HE SAYS THEM Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE WORDS ???AS THEY ARE WRITTEN Jn 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Jn 6:47 I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.DO YOU BELIEVE CHRIST IF NOT YOU MAY HAS HE SAYS NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS,

Pierre;

Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE WORDS ???AS THEY ARE WRITTEN

Is Jesus bread or is it being spoken figuratively?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,08:53)

Hi MB, When the Word became the Son of God.

Nick,

The Word is spirit and can be in many places at the same time just like faith and truth.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,06:50)

Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2012,18:35) What do I mean when I petition God for the inheritance I had with him before the world began. Kerwin, The fact that you would swap the word “glory” for “inheritance” shows that you not only DO understand your flaw, but are willing to go to nonsensical lengths to cover it up. And the fact that you are willing to claim that you have personally HAD anything in the presence of God before the world began is just the icing on the nonsense cake.

Mike,

I see the scriptural clue I gave you did not aid you in what I meant by inheritance.  I will attempt to clear up the matter using the same clue.

Romans 8:29
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

foreknew=I know beforehand

predestined=pre-determine limits (boundaries)

inheritance=to become conformed to the image of His Son,

Note: I used Strong's thesaurus from concordances.org

As for changing glory to inheritance;you argue about words; as it makes no difference which as used as either can be had without the recipient having possession of them.  But to please you it is written:

Hebrews 1:4
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:53)

Hi MB, When the Word became the Son of God the spiritual unity remained.

Hi MB,
Since then God has begat many sons through their unity with His Spirit in His Son.

But none of His sons are Him.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,10:25)

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2012,20:07) Hi Mike, I have, from cover to cover, and it says no such thing? Are you reading your Bible with TODAY'S understanding of “god” – with the understanding that “god” refers SOLELY to the one Omniscient Creator of All Things? Or are you reading your Bible with the understanding of the way the term was used when the writers wrote the scriptures? Here's a test: Judges 13:22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen a god!” Ed, do you understand that this angel of God was also a god himself?  If you do not, then you are not reading the Bible correctly – from the standpoint and understanding of those who wrote it.

Hi Mike,

I see you are consistently trying to make God's word conform to
your understanding. Here's the text that dispels your 'spin'…

Judges 13:22 Manoah said unto his wife,
We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

First: 'a god' is not mentioned in this verse?
Second: He is identified as an Angel…

“For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar,
that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar.” (Judges 13:20)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Reason for edit: I meant the word “consistently”

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,10:55)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,17:51) Certainly the servant Spirit of Christ was sent to speak what God taught him and told him to say. So the spirit of christ, which was God in the beginning, is now a “HIM”?   When did God become a separate “HIM” from Himself?

Hi Mike,

Your understanding doesn't change God's word!
Your use of the word “himself” certainly is comical.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,11:01)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,17:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:14) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:35) Hi Pierre, Do you believe as Mike does?    …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'? God bless Ed J edj Yes i do ,even Moses was a god   That is scripturally correct, Pierre.  And that is what people like you and I strive to be – scripturally correct……………..despite how the words are understood in today's society. I am taught by the written word of God – not by the popular word usage of the 21st century. Mike yes ,this is similar to what all true Christians go through ,all because some try to understand scriptures in their own way ,without a pure heart,

PIERRE,

Matt 7:1-2 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Are you now suggesting that those who do not see things as you do have an impure heart?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,15:09)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:53) Hi MB, When the Word became the Son of God the spiritual unity remained. Hi MB, Since then God has begat many sons through their unity with His Spirit in His Son. But none of His sons are Him.

Nick……….You could not have said it more accurately, Many Have God's Spirit in them like Jesus did, But None of them including Jesus is or was the GOD in them. Paul said, Know you not that your BODIES are the TEMPLES of the LIVING GOD Yes God live (IN) us through His HOLY SPIRIT Just as he did and does (IN) Jesus also.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 04 2012,07:35)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,15:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:53) Hi MB, When the Word became the Son of God the spiritual unity remained. Hi MB, Since then God has begat many sons through their unity with His Spirit in His Son. But none of His sons are Him. Nick……….You could not have said it more accurately,  Many Have God's Spirit in them like Jesus did, But None of them including Jesus is or was the GOD in them.  Paul said, Know you not that your BODIES are the TEMPLES of the LIVING GOD Yes God live (IN) us through His HOLY SPIRIT Just as he did and does (IN) Jesus also.   peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

N,,G, EDJ

1TH 2:4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The gospel is Christ.
Without the anointing men remain lost.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,22:30)

First: 'a god' is not mentioned in this verse? Second: He is identified as an Angel…

Okay Ed, now we're getting somewhere.

First, do you remember that all of the indefinite articles in the English translations are added by men trying their best to give the gist of what was truly said in Hebrew or Greek?

So, should the translation be “God” in Judges 13:22, or “a god”?

Well, as you yourself have pointed out, Manoah KNEW he was not seeing God Himself.  Instead, he KNEW he was seeing an ANGEL OF Jehovah, because the text tells us so.

Now, would Manoah, knowing full well he had not seen Jehovah God Himself, say:  We have seen God?  Or is it more likely, since we know from scripture that angels are called gods, that Manoah really said:  We have seen a god?

This is one of many scriptures where virtually all translators miss the point.  Manoah surely knew he hadn't seen God Almighty Himself, and therefore would never say they had seen God (meaning “God Almighty Himself”).  He meant “a god” – as in a mighty spiritual being.

Another place is where Jehovah tells Moses he will be a god to Pharoah.  Surely Moses did not pose as Jehovah Himself, or claim to be Jehovah Himself.  And surely Pharoah knew that Moses was sent FROM Jehovah, and never considered Moses to BE Jehovah Himself.  That verse should also be translated as “a god”, and not “God”.

And one more is where the Jews implied that Jesus was claiming to be a god.  Surely the Jews didn't think that by calling himself the SON OF God, that Jesus was claiming to be the very God he was the SON OF.  That absurd thinking didn't come until many years later.  Instead, the Jews were irate that Jesus was making himself out to be a god by claiming to be the true Son of THE God.

Ed, all I ask is that you consider these things.  I don't really care if you agree with me or not.  The FACT of the matter is that angels and men are called gods in scriptures.  Not one of them is ever called “THE God” though, except for in faulty translations like Judges 13:22 translation you're used to.

So you can either become a true believer in scriptures, or you can stay where you're at, alongside the politically correct 21st century people who think there is literally only one god, because they think “god” has as its sole definition:  The Omniscient Creator of All Things.

But be warned:  If you stay there with them, you will always struggle with scriptural terms such as “many gods and many lords”, “God ALMIGHTY”, “God OF gods”, and “God MOST HIGH”.

I don't struggle with those terms, because I know the Bible speaks of MANY gods – only ONE of whom is the Omniscient Creator of All Things and the God OF the many other gods.

(Ed, this is the third or fourth time we've had this conversation. I have previously gone to great, time-consuming lengths on other threads to show you what I believe, and why. I won't keep doing it. So, in a couple of months, when you post your same old Isaiah scripture and ask me how there can be many gods, don't be upset when I just ignore you, okay?)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,22:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,10:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,17:51) Certainly the servant Spirit of Christ was sent to speak what God taught him and told him to say. So the spirit of christ, which was God in the beginning, is now a “HIM”?   When did God become a separate “HIM” from Himself? Hi Mike, Your understanding doesn't change God's word! Your use of the word “himself” certainly is comical. God bless Ed J

Is that your way of saying you can't explain Nick's nonsense either, Ed?

And my use of “himself” is perfectly in line with the 7000 times in scripture that “God” is referred to as a “He”, or a “Him”.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,12:54)

Hi T, The gospel is Christ. Without the anointing men remain lost.

N

this is new ,you must have scriptures to this ?

Jesus = the gospel (good news )

how could he be the message ?

I know he came and delivered the message ,but being the message

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