When Jesus became the Anointed of God

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2014,03:14)

gadam123…………Glad to see you back brother . We all need your sound understanding add to our , in this great struggle of the truth of God which has been corrupted by the false teachers of the synagogues of Satan. Who preach a different Christ then scripture clearly shows. These Trinitarians and Preexistences who have turned the “MAN” Jesus into a God, abound everywhere throughout all so called “CHRISTIANITY” and here also.

Peace and love to you and yours Adam……………………………..gene

Hello Brother Gene,
Thanks for your appreciation and welcome. It is very difficult to judge anyone in this forum where everyone is guided by some concept or ideology. This is the reason why I kept myself isolated from these unending disputes and discussions.

Our Bible especially NT is very ambiguous in describing certain characteristics and personality of Jesus Christ. For example the present topic “When Jesus became the Anointed of God” Trinitarianism supports eternal sonship of Jesus, so there is no definite point of time for Jesus' anointing. Non-trinitarianism with pre-existence of Jesus supports that Jesus was anointed before creation by quoting John 17:5 (But there is difference between Glorification and Anointing). Coming to Unitarianism which says Jesus was anointed at the Baptism. All these base their arguments by quoting the same Bible.

I am really confused;

Book of Acts clearly says that Jesus was anointed at his Baptism which you too support. I can quote this verse for that purpose; Acts10:
37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

God is the one anointing the Messiah (Christ) Jesus. I always find there should be clear distinction between God and Jesus if at all there is one God in this universe. Rest I leave to our friends.
Love to you…..Adam

May 23, 2014 at 12:44 pm#383749

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gadam

the apostles did know through Christ and his mother Mary ,that Jesus Christ was from above and is the son of God but did only speak of what all people could not deny and have seen and so are witness to it ,(what happen at the Jordan river) but Jesus was ordain way before that time long ago ,and received the holy spirit long before the Jordan ,

May 23, 2014 at 1:19 pm#383750

GeneBalthrop

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Terricca……..So you just through out what Adam quoted right?, tell us why would Jesus even be baptized and the spirit descend and remain on him then if he already had the spirit, so to you the apostle Paul was just lying right ?

Adam is absolute right in what he stated and directly quoted. IMO

Peace and love …………………..gene

May 23, 2014 at 3:41 pm#383760

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2014,19:19)

Adam is absolute right in what he stated and directly quoted. IMO

Peace and love …………………..gene

Jn 1:25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”
Jn 1:28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

pay attention to verse 33

May 23, 2014 at 7:13 pm#383772

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Peace and love to you and yours Adam……………………………..gene

I am really confused;

Hi Gadam,
From the Jordan God abided in Jesus Christ by His Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

That Spiritual unity is to be shared with all who are joined to Christ Jesus in the same Spirit.

Jn 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

May 24, 2014 at 5:11 am#383831

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Peace and love to you and yours Adam……………………………..gene

I am really confused;

Hi Gadam,
From the Jordan God abided in Jesus Christ by His Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

That Spiritual unity is to be shared with all who are joined to Christ Jesus in the same Spirit.

Jn 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

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Those scriptures do not say that all started at the Jordan river, long ago before the event at the Jordan God at the plan to reconcile all things through Christ, even before he send his son down to be covered by flesh , is plan was set in motion,

May 24, 2014 at 5:16 am#383832

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Hi T,
Jesus became His spiritual son at the jordan
You can follow him

May 24, 2014 at 5:46 am#383838

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Hi T,
Jesus became His spiritual son at the jordan
You can follow him

Jesus was the son of God , his father long before he was send down to earth, this is why John said the one that comes after me WAS BEFORE ME, meaning he existed before him , many other scriptures testify to that,

May 24, 2014 at 6:33 am#383845

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Hi T,
Any scriptures?
O you mean the Spirit of Christ?

May 24, 2014 at 6:48 am#383846

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gadam

Thanks for your response to my post. The birth narratives of Jesus never speak about his anointing but about his conception by the Holy Spirit. Also his son-ship with God is always mentioned as future event in the announcements of angels. I don't see anything past or before creation of these things except in Epistles and John where his pre-existence mentioned indirectly which is being debated here in this forum.

May 24, 2014 at 6:51 am#383847

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2014,19:19)

Adam is absolute right in what he stated and directly quoted. IMO

Peace and love …………………..gene

pay attention to verse 33

All these verses talk about the activities of Jesus at his Baptism and again future events.

May 24, 2014 at 6:53 am#383848

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Peace and love to you and yours Adam……………………………..gene

I am really confused;

Hi Gadam,
From the Jordan God abided in Jesus Christ by His Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

That Spiritual unity is to be shared with all who are joined to Christ Jesus in the same Spirit.

Jn 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

I appreciate your response to my post. So you say that Jesus was not the Christ(anointed) prior to his Baptism at Jordan?

May 24, 2014 at 7:00 am#383851

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Hi Gadam,
No he was a very ordinary man. Is 53
He was known to folk in his town and they were shocked to see the change Mt 13.54f

He was known prophetically as the Christ

May 24, 2014 at 9:32 am#383870

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,18:00)

Hi Gadam,
No he was a very ordinary man. Is 53
He was known to folk in his town and they were shocked to see the change Mt 13.54f

He was known prophetically as the Christ

The question here is what is the point of his anointing by God?

May 24, 2014 at 9:42 am#383872

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Hi gadam,
God wanted to reestablish His rule on earth.[mt 6.10]

Satan had control of mankind by the rule of sin in the flesh.

Man was weak and unable to help so God chose to do it by His Spirit.

“God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself” 2Cor 5.19

The clean and willing vessel of Jesus was used to wrest power away from the god of this world.

Now that rule continues in the hearts of his followers and will fully manifest at the return of the Lord

May 24, 2014 at 8:16 pm#383927

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Hi WU,
How can you follow Jesus if he is fundamentally different?

How can YOU follow God, Nick?

Hi MB,
5.Joshua 14:8
Nevertheless my brethren that went up with me made the heart of the people melt: but I wholly followed the Lord my God.

6.Joshua 14:9
And Moses sware on that day, saying, Surely the land whereon thy feet have trodden shall be thine inheritance, and thy children's for ever, because thou hast wholly followed the Lord my God.

7.Joshua 14:14
Hebron therefore became the inheritance of Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite unto this day, because that he wholly followed the Lord God of Israel.

8.Joshua 22:16
Thus saith the whole congregation of the Lord, What trespass is this that ye have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that ye have builded you an altar, that ye might rebel this day against the Lord?

And is God “fundamentally different” than you? If so, how can you follow Him?

Whatever answer you give, take it and apply it also to Jesus.

May 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm#383929

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2014,22:32)

Hi MB,
Are you suggesting that some folk have a smidgen of the Spirit of God naturally?
Any scriptures?

I'm suggesting that Jesus was LED to John the Baptist in the first place. He didn't just show up there without a clue. He KNEW he needed to be baptized by John to “fulfill all righteousness”. Who told Jesus that, Nick?

I'm also suggesting that Jesus' brilliance in understanding scriptures at such a young age also shows he was led by Spirit from an early age.

Learn these points:

1. The fact that Jesus became FULL of the Holy Spirit at his baptism doesn't mean he was VOID of the Spirit before that time.

2. Cyrus was NEVER said to have had ANY Holy Spirit placed upon him at all. Yet he was one of God's many ANOINTED ONES. Get it? Cyrus was ANOINTED by God before he was ever even born as a human being. And there is no mention of Cyrus EVER having Holy Spirit.

3. Anointed just means “set aside/apart for a specific reason/purpose”. And it doesn't NECESSARILY have anything at all to do with God's Holy Spirit.

4. So your whole concept that Jesus became “anointed” only when he was anointed WITH the Holy Spirit at his baptism is flawed – because there are many other kinds of anointing.

So SCRIPTURE is right that Simeon SAW God's anointed one when that anointed one was only 8 days old……. and YOU are wrong. Which is the way it is supposed to be, Nick. Let me be wrong and the word of God right every time.

Jesus was BORN the anointed of God.

Matthew 2:4 King James Version
And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

If we are to take the above scripture AT FACE VALUE, it actually teaches that Jesus was the Christ even BEFORE he was born on earth.

May 24, 2014 at 8:33 pm#383932

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Nick,

Matthew 2:13
When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”

What if Herod was successful in his plot to kill the baby Jesus? Would Herod have killed “the anointed one of God”?

Or would he have only killed a child who would one day BECOME the anointed one of God?

I know it is the former – based on the language used earlier in that chapter. You seem to think it is the latter.

May 24, 2014 at 8:41 pm#383934

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Hi MB,
God was with him.
The best father in the world

but God was not yet in him

May 24, 2014 at 8:43 pm#383935