When Jesus became the Anointed of God

[toby]

Hi EDJ,

Let me clarify: I use the word 'Person' not in the sense of a Human Being (A Spirit in a Body) but just to represent 'HIM to whom I am referring'.

I do know the problem of saying 'Person' when referring to that which is Spirit but there is no other term that I am aware of to use.

Additionally, it could be credited that 'Person' is used to refer to someone with 'PERSONality' and you cannot deny that Jehovah has 'Personality' (Angels do not in the same context and I would not call an Angel a 'Person'.)

Concerning Moses, Scriptures says 'Therefore, thou shalt be AS GOD unto Aaron' concerning bringing the word of God to the Hebrews in slavery. Moses had a speech impediment and felt he could not speak with authority to the Hebrews or Pharoah so God said he would tell Moses what to say and Moses should tell Aaron and Aaron would speak. So then, to Aaron, it was as if Moses was 'God himself'. Check it yourself –

Please note that the exact wording does not make Moses 'a God' but only 'AS GOD' which is not the same thing but I use it as a near reference for examples usage.

And as for Jesus being a ruler in place of God: have you not read: 'He must rule until all Rulership and Authority is brought under his feet'?

It is Christ, under the Authority and in the Power (The Holy Spirit) of Jehovah, who is bringing in the new world order. This is why Jesus is said to be a Mighty God – please note the indefinite 'a' and. It the definite 'The'.
I do not mean at any time to say that Christ will be 'The One True God' but only 'a God ruling in place of THE One True God'.
Does Scriptures not demonstrate this relationship – are there not examples given by Jesus of the Steward put in charge of his masters house or Joseph being put in place of Pharoah or Naman being put in place of King Ahasereus?

None of them nor anyone reading would assume any of them were 'The King', 'The Master', 'The Pharaoh'.

[shimmer]

Quote (toby @ April 10 2012,00:10)

It is Christ, under the Authority and in the Power (The Holy Spirit) of Jehovah, who is bringing in the new world order.

My question is off topic, but how will you know that this 'New World Order' has come?  That question goes to anyone else too.

[Ed J]

Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,22:10)

Hi EDJ, Let me clarify: I use the word 'Person' not in the sense of a Human Being (A Spirit in a Body) but just to represent 'HIM to whom I am referring'. I do know the problem of saying 'Person' when referring to that which is Spirit but there is no other term that I am aware of to use.

Hi Toby,

Entity is more accurate and does not imply Human,
which the term “person” most definitely does.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,22:10)

Hi EDJ, Concerning Moses, Scriptures says 'Therefore, thou shalt be AS GOD unto Aaron' concerning bringing the word of God to the Hebrews in slavery.

Scripture Please?

[Ed J]

Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,22:10)

Hi EDJ, Check it yourself –

Hi Toby,

It is your place to prove what you say is true?    …I know of no such verse?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,22:10)

Hi EDJ Please note that the exact wording does not make Moses 'a God' but only 'AS GOD' which is not the same thing but I use it as a near reference for examples usage.

Hi Toby,

Once again I disagree.

“I have made thee 'a god' to Pharaoh” (Ex 7:1)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,22:10)

Hi EDJ, And as for Jesus being a ruler in place of God: have you not read: 'He must rule until all Rulership and Authority is brought under his feet'? It is Christ, under the Authority and in the Power (The Holy Spirit) of Jehovah, who is bringing in the new world order. This is why Jesus is said to be a Mighty God – please note the indefinite 'a' and. It the definite 'The'. I do not mean at any time to say that Christ will be 'The One True God' but only 'a God ruling in place of THE One True God'.

HI Toby, no hard feelings, but,
I really do NOT care what you mean.

What concerns me is what Scripture says.
What you mean MUST line up with Scripture!
As long as you say a god, what you say doesn't.

ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,13:39)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 08 2012,20:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,04:56) Do you see all the gods mentioned in Pierre's post, Gene?  Who are all those gods? Gene, just answer this one question: How could Jehovah foretell that Jesus was to be called mighty god if there ARE no other gods except for Jehovah? Mike…..They are “FALSE” GODS meaning NO God's at all.These FALSE GODS are figments of the mind and do not really exist  in fact these False God have no power at all. Cant you tell that by the context of those scriptures your Co-hart quoted.  Mike you simply are grabbing straws to support your claims while all the time denying what GOD himself SAID.  So who are you going to believe some mistranslation or what GOD said over and over and what Jesus also Said.  As Paul said UNTO USE THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. You and Pierre can believe that you have all kinds of Gods but as for Me and some here we believe there is only ONE true GOD. You can switch upper case and lower case letting all you want to even though the originals were all written in upper case Lettering. But then again  you people make up your own definitions and meanings of translations as you go along anyway right? So you now believe Jesus is a (LITTLE) god right so do you worship him a little as a demigod or what? I personnel come along side Jesus my brother and worship our one and ONLY TRUE GOD, No Matter what you  or you Co-harts try to say is your gods .  How many gods do you people worship anyway. Are there ten, twenty or hundreds of them or what? IMO My God said “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD'S BEFORE ME, Thou shall not make you any graven image, or any likeness and any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth; thou shall not bow down thyself to them, no serve them: Thy GOD am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the childern unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. peace and love……………………………………..gene Gene, Where is the answer to my bolded question?  It's up there in the quote box.  I made it big for you so you don't miss it again, okay?

Mike…………Read it in context notice it says he “SHALL” be Called those things and even the ever lasting FATHER, My question to you is when and at what time shall that be. Is Jesus pictured as a GOD NOW , is he called the everlasting Father? No he is not but when he rules on this earth he will be a Mighty ONE of GOD. Because the seven Spirits of the Living GOD will be (IN) him giving him that status. The fullness of the living God is and will be (IN) Him and therefor GOD'S (PRESENCE) is there and directing HIM. But that in no way Makes Jesus HIMSELF a GOD at all.

If you understood what SPIRIT is that would be easy for you to understand , but as it is you don't yet, it seems. If GOD is (IN) you the Mighty GOD is THERE and can ACT t”THROUGH” YOU but none of that makes YOU the MIGHTY GOD YOURSELF> GET IT MIKE?  

peace and love…………………………………gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 10 2012,08:16)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,13:39) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 08 2012,20:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,04:56) Do you see all the gods mentioned in Pierre's post, Gene?  Who are all those gods? Gene, just answer this one question: How could Jehovah foretell that Jesus was to be called mighty god if there ARE no other gods except for Jehovah? Mike…..They are “FALSE” GODS meaning NO God's at all.These FALSE GODS are figments of the mind and do not really exist  in fact these False God have no power at all. Cant you tell that by the context of those scriptures your Co-hart quoted.  Mike you simply are grabbing straws to support your claims while all the time denying what GOD himself SAID.  So who are you going to believe some mistranslation or what GOD said over and over and what Jesus also Said.  As Paul said UNTO USE THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. You and Pierre can believe that you have all kinds of Gods but as for Me and some here we believe there is only ONE true GOD. You can switch upper case and lower case letting all you want to even though the originals were all written in upper case Lettering. But then again  you people make up your own definitions and meanings of translations as you go along anyway right? So you now believe Jesus is a (LITTLE) god right so do you worship him a little as a demigod or what? I personnel come along side Jesus my brother and worship our one and ONLY TRUE GOD, No Matter what you  or you Co-harts try to say is your gods .  How many gods do you people worship anyway. Are there ten, twenty or hundreds of them or what? IMO My God said “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD'S BEFORE ME, Thou shall not make you any graven image, or any likeness and any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth; thou shall not bow down thyself to them, no serve them: Thy GOD am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the childern unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. peace and love……………………………………..gene Gene, Where is the answer to my bolded question?  It's up there in the quote box.  I made it big for you so you don't miss it again, okay? Mike…………Read it in context notice it says he “SHALL” be Called those things and even the ever lasting FATHER, My question to you is when and at what time shall that be. Is Jesus pictured as a GOD NOW , is he called the everlasting Father?  No he is not but when he rules on this earth he will be a Mighty ONE of GOD. Because the seven Spirits of the Living GOD will be (IN) him giving him that status. The fullness of the living God is and will be (IN) Him and therefor GOD'S (PRESENCE) is there and directing HIM. But that in no way Makes Jesus HIMSELF a GOD at all. If you understood what SPIRIT is that would be easy for you to understand , but as it is you don't yet, it seems. If GOD is (IN) you the Mighty GOD is THERE and can ACT t”THROUGH” YOU but none of that makes YOU the MIGHTY GOD YOURSELF> GET IT MIKE?   peace and love…………………………………gene

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demons also enter people and they can do mighty things that others can not do ,

does God enter people in the same way ?????

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Sonship to God is by sharing God's Spirit.

We were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God by the sanctifying work of the Spirit to obey Jesus Christ
1Peter 1.2

God has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
1Peter 1.3

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,12:42)

Hi, Sonship to God is by sharing God's Spirit. We were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God by the sanctifying work of the Spirit to obey Jesus Christ 1Peter 1.2 God has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1Peter 1.3

N

your ego ambition make you lose your mind;

1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

1Pe 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

ARE YOU ONE OF ;;To God’s elect, strangers in the world,?NO

your ego and selfish desires may not be enough to be guaranty for you to be saved,

you seems to claim many thing as personal but you do not delivered the goodies from it

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
So you judge.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,14:42)

Hi T, So you judge.

n

no,Nick ,you are judging yourself by quoting those scriptures as one of ; God’s elect, strangers in the world,;;

because you address those scriptures to you and they are not addressed to you ,so you are in a deceiver position ,and wen someone tells you so ,you are insulting them to clear your false position,

you should stop pretend to be what you are not and give glory to those who deserve it THE SAINTS

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Do you really feel insults help?
They do you no good either

[mikeboll64]

Gene,

Is 9:6 says Jesus will be called a mighty god.  John 1:1, 1:14, 1:18, and 20:28 are all fulfillments of this prophecy.  But let me move on by having you compare these two scriptures:

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Psalm 82:1
God stands in the assembly of gods; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

In the latter scripture, who are these gods that God assembles with and passes judgment upon?

To me it refers to God assembling with angels, as is described in the former scripture I posted. But who do YOU think these gods are/were?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,16:56)

Hi T, Do you really feel insults help? They do you no good either

N

????

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2012,09:56)

Gene, Is 9:6 says Jesus will be called a mighty god.  John 1:1, 1:14, 1:18, and 20:28 are all fulfillments of this prophecy.  But let me move on by having you compare these two scriptures: Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Psalm 82:1 God stands in the assembly of gods; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment. In the latter scripture, who are these gods that God assembles with and passes judgment upon? To me it refers to God assembling with angels, as is described in the former scripture I posted.

Mike….Those text should be rendered Mighty one or strong ones becasue it it meant they were GODS the GOD himself would be a LIER. Because He plainly said there are not others GODS beside HIM. So you need to modify those mistranslated word to (NOT) little gods, becasue not such wording existed in the original text they were alll upper case letters, But if you would do you homework you could easily put it together as Mighty One or strong ones, NOT GODS of any kind.

Let us Mike why do you continually try to make God the Father and Jesus and Paul out to be lairs. You out of the one side of you mouth say to us you believe GOD and then out of the other side and deny HIS WORDS. Can't you see what your modified versions are? They are Lies Mike. there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD< rather you or your co-hart believes it or not.

Mike you are continently try to did yourself out of holes you yourself are digging. WHY NOT STOP AND BELIEVE GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF AND JESUS AND PAUL FOR A CHANGE.

peace and love……………………………………….gene

[toby]

Hi Mike.
You said:

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Gene, Is 9:6 says Jesus will be called a mighty god.  John 1:1, 1:14, 1:18, and 20:28 are all fulfillments of this prophecy.  But let me move on by having you compare these two scriptures: Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Psalm 82:1 God stands in the assembly of gods; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment. In the latter scripture, who are these gods that God assembles with and passes judgment upon? To me it refers to God assembling with angels, as is described in the former scripture I posted.  But who do YOU think these gods are/were?

Mikeboll, the two verses are not linked.

The second is referring to earthly Judges who judge unfairly against the deprived and vulnerable – as the rest of the verses testify.

Angels do not Judge!

Can you quote what BARNES says about this second verse (Psalm 82:1-7)

[toby]

Hi EDJ,

I would agree that 'Entity' is a good word to use: 'Entity that is Jehovah, God Almighty'. Exodus 4:14-16:

'Then the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses and he said, “Is there not Aaron, your brother, the Levite? I know that he can speak well; and behold, he is coming out to meet you, and when he sees you he will be glad in his heart.
And you shall speak to him and put the words in his mouth; and I will be with your mouth and with his mouth, and will teach you what you shall do.
He shall speak for you to the people; and he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God.'

Yes, Ex 7:1 repeats the 'AS GOD' concerning Moses but this time to Pharoah. Notice that verse 2 shows that Jehovah still speaks to Moses and Moses speaks to Aaron and Aaron speaks to Pharoah.

'And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet'.

Also, I forgot to mention: Why did God Almighty give Moses his name: “Thus you shall say unto the children of Israel, 'I AM' has sent me to you.”

The children of Israel knew the names of many 'so-called Gods' from their encounters with pagan tribes. If Moses had just said 'God has sent me they would not know which real or so-called 'God' Moses was talking about so Jehovah gave them a name to distinguish himself from the pagan so-called 'gods'.

Furthermore, Jehovah stresses continually who he is over those other so-called God by saying 'I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob' (e.g. Ex 3:6, 15, 16) and others say 'God of the Hebrews' (Ex 3:18, 5:1).

Please read this in context with what I said previously – that I am not saying the Egyptian or other pagan gods were real entity Gods but “human devised or created in wood or stone, so-called Gods.”

There is only one true uncreated non-human devised God and that is Jehovah God Almighty.

(EDJ, sorry about the 'Check it yourself' – I meant to say, 'I thought people discussing this topic would have known the verse', as it is quite prominent in the story of Moses and Pharoah' but you are right to ask for the verse.)

EDJ,
You say:

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What concerns me is what Scripture says. What you mean MUST line up with Scripture! As long as you say a god, what you say doesn't. ye are even my witnesses. Is there 'a God beside me? yea, there is 'no God'; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)

Did you yourself not say:

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Hi Toby Once again I disagree. “I have made thee 'a god' to Pharaoh” (Ex 7:1)

(P.s. I think it should say 'AS God' not 'a God'. Linguistically it would not read right to say '…Make you a God to Pharoah'. It's a small semantic point, though)

James 2:19. 'You say there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe – and tremble'.

However, I think you may be taking things out of context as Jehovah God saying there is none beside(s) him did not stop him saying that Moses would be 'AS GOD' to others, did it? This is not saying that Moses would be 'God Beside Him', is it?

The power and authority was still given by Jehovah to Moses and was taken from him later – as I pointed out earlier.

Jesus Christ is a 'type of Moses' in that Jehovah carried out his work through Jesus Christ just as he did through Moses. I find it hard to believe that Jesus Christ is not ruling 'AS God' at this time bringing the world into its new world order after which he will 'Hand the Kingdom back to his God, Jehovah Almighty God.

[terraricca]

Quote (toby @ April 10 2012,18:16)

Hi Mike. You said: Quote Gene, Is 9:6 says Jesus will be called a mighty god.  John 1:1, 1:14, 1:18, and 20:28 are all fulfillments of this prophecy.  But let me move on by having you compare these two scriptures: Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Psalm 82:1 God stands in the assembly of gods; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment. In the latter scripture, who are these gods that God assembles with and passes judgment upon? To me it refers to God assembling with angels, as is described in the former scripture I posted.  But who do YOU think these gods are/were? Mikeboll, the two verses are not linked. The second is referring to earthly Judges who judge unfairly against the deprived and vulnerable – as the rest of the verses testify. Angels do not Judge! Can you quote what BARNES says about this second verse (Psalm 82:1-7)

toby

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Angels do not Judge!

this is true ,what is amazing it is our own ways and thoughts and spoken words THAT WILL BE OUR JUDGE,

JN 12:48 “ He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

MT 7:2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

LK 19:22 “He *said to him, ‘ By your own words I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow?

amazing ,this is righteousness and true justice

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