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Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2014,08:48) Wakeup, Quote The flesh has been done,(finish), now the spirit needs working on. Have to be moulded into the spirit of Christ. This is confusion.
The desire of the flesh is synonymous with bestial desires. It is not speaking of literal flesh. Satan has bestial desires and you do not believe he has literal flesh. According to the 1 Enoch, which you hold as Scripture and I do not, the angels lust and that is a desire of the flesh.
The Spirit renews our spirit in the image of God but even with out flesh body we have a human spirit as well as a human soul.
If we have no body then we are found naked and that is the opposite of what Scripture teaches.
Good at playing with words.
Flesh is not really flesh?
What about spirit is not really spirit?
When is this going to end?Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
ONE CAN WALK AFTER THE FLESH, OR AFTER THE SPIRIT.
THE SPIRIT OF THE FLESH HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY THE SERPENT. WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT SPIRIT, WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2014,04:02) Hi KWE,
Are we allowed to presume?
Nick,I was generalizing and that is allowed.
Wakeup,
Quote Good at playing with words. I simply believe Jesus when he states seek God and his kingdom and so seek the correct understanding of words.
Quote Flesh is not really flesh? Flesh is not really flesh, bread is not really bread, blood is not really blood. These things are common in scripture as they are used as symbols.
Natural is not natural but instead is what is natural without the Spirit. When you allow the beast, the natural, the flesh to control you then you do the works of the evil one.
Satan performed these “natural” acts first. He was the first to act naturally as a brute beast. Peter speaks of his followers as be “natural brute beasts” and Jude states they corrupt themselves in the things they ” know naturally, as brute beasts”
Whether Satan performs these “natural” acts or his children do they are the works of the flesh.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2014,04:11) Hi KW,
Are the angels in tattered human flesh?
Nick,You have not shown that the children of the resurrection will have bodies like the angels. So far it is a claim you make with no backing.
You do not have any solid evidence that Jesus bore wounds and not just scars after his resurrection.
Quote The wet, cool nose poked him in the side, again and again. But he was afraid of it, so afraid he couldn't move. In the darkness the animal looked down at him. Quote He glanced over at his snoring cousin and poked him in the side. “Ed! You're snoring!” Quote Her husband was still stretching when she poked him in the side With her elbow and said: “Husband, get up and look out of the window. You have three witnesses that demonstrate that the words “in the side” do not necessary mean “inside the body” or in a wound.
Wakeup,
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ONE CAN WALK AFTER THE FLESH, OR AFTER THE SPIRIT.Yes, you can obey they desires of the flesh nature or of the Spirit of God nature. The nature of the Spirit of God is the divine nature that those that believe might be partakers of. Peter speaks of this in his second letter.
Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2014,18:01) Nick, You have not shown that the children of the resurrection will have bodies like the angels. So far it is a claim you make with no backing.
“Hey Kerwin! I just saw a plane crash into that mountain!”“No you didn't.”
“Listen, they're talking about it right now on the radio!”
“No they're not.”
“Look Kerwin! They're showing actual footage of the crash on the TV right now!”
No they're not. Stop making claims with no backing.
Mike,
You failed to show the children of the resurrection have bodies like angels. All Nick gave for evidence is that they would not marry nor be given in marriage just like angels do not. The also do not will not die just like angels. Not a word about bodies.
Kerwin,
Everybody here KEEPS ON showing you. But you just keep denying it anyway.
1. Jesus said we must be born of something OTHER THAN flesh in order to see or enter the kingdom of God. He said, 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of spirit. (John 3 NIV)
2. God showed Jesus in a brilliant, transfigured state. For what purpose did God do that?
3. John said he DIDN'T know what he would be, because he HADN'T yet seen Jesus as he is.
4. Paul said, 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
15:48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust, and like the one from heaven, so too those who are heavenly.
15:49 And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, let us also bear the image of the man of heaven. (1 Cor 15, NET Bible)
5. Paul also said, 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven – and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 3:21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours 30 into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself. (Phil 3 NET Bible)
6. Paul also said, 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house, the tent we live in, is dismantled, we have a building from God, a house not built by human hands, that is eternal in the heavens.
5:2 For in this earthly house we groan, because we desire to put on our heavenly dwelling……….. (2 Cor 5 NET Bible)
The “house built by human hands” is aligned with Jesus' teaching that “flesh gives birth to flesh”. Our flesh bodies have been metaphorically “built by human hands”, Kerwin. We desire to get rid of that earthly tent – NOT TO BE FOUND NAKED – but to be clothed with our new heavenly tent from God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2014,06:15) Hi KW,
Is it possible to put your finger or your hand into scars?
Nick,The only place Thomas mentions marks is on the hands. He just states he will not believe until he puts his hand into Jesus' side. I just assume there is a mark there as well.
I used Google to look up the words “finger into the print” and only seemed to have said unlike in the side which is more common. Using scar or mark came up with much the same results though in the case of scar there were fewer.
There is no evidence he was bleeding and a living human would bleed if they untreated wounds. Unless as some claim he had no blood to bleed.
Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2014,19:17) I used Google to look up the words “finger into the print”……….
Why would you Google such an odd phrase?
Does that phrase make any kind of logical sense to you, Kerwin? Because it sounds like nonsense to me.
Mike,
Quote John said he DIDN'T know what he would be, because he HADN'T yet seen Jesus as he is. You act like you do not know that the word know can mean “experience” instead of “knowledge”.
Lets address your “knowledge” assumption. As Nick would say, If John didn't then why do you presume to know?
You seem to be just trying to make a point and not keep consistent within your own doctrine.
I assure you we have not yet experienced what we will be like.
NET Bible
Dear friends, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that whenever it is revealed we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.It is not about knowledge it is about showing, revealing what will be and what is.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2014,07:28) Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2014,19:17) I used Google to look up the words “finger into the print”……….
Why would you Google such an odd phrase?Does that phrase make any kind of logical sense to you, Kerwin? Because it sounds like nonsense to me.
Mike,It is some of the words the AV of the KJV states Thomas used.
When will you wake up, and understand, that the scribes are not there to lead us to the truth,but to lead us astray.
This is their job: to lead all astray, and cause confusion.
To divide and conquer.
This world is in the hands of satan,and all his princes.Seek the scriptures.
If you find any contradictions;dont go running to the scribes for help. They will only add to the confusion.The bible should not contradict itself.
It is in the reader,not the bible.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2014,11:56) Mike, You failed to show the children of the resurrection have bodies like angels. All Nick gave for evidence is that they would not marry nor be given in marriage just like angels do not. The also do not will not die just like angels. Not a word about bodies.
kerwin……your are completely right. No scripture says we will not have flesh bodies after the Resurrection. They force the text to say what it is not “SPECIFICALLY” said.Even the four creatures around the throne of God are all depicted as living animals that are four different flesh creatures.
There exist not one specific scripture that says Jesus' body after the Resurrection was ever changed or done away with. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
Hi GB,
Rom7
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Hi GB,
2cor 5
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
Mike,
Quote Face it Kerwin, it would have been illogical for Jesus to say he was CURRENTLY in heaven while he was talking to Nicodemus and the apostles. Then Jesus makes quite a few illogical statements as he said quite often that he was in Jehovah, and God is in heaven.
Ephesians 2:6 states believers are in heavenly place but it is a variation of the same thing as it states they are their in Jesus just as Jesus was there in God even as he was one earth.
It is quite logical as you can see.
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