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To All…………..No scripture say flesh and blood can not go into the Kingdom of God, that is so obviously in error. also scripture says neither can any flesh and blood see the kingdom of God, “WHY”? because the kingdom of God come without “OBSERVATION” (physical site),for it is “WITHIN” you. The kingdom of God is “SPIRITUALLY PERCEIVED”, it is not Physically seen. God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and truth Spirit is Spirit , flesh is flesh, they are not the same thing, they each are part of a living Soul. Both are need to be a living Soul.
Do you people just throw out these scriptures to meet you dogmas, as if they did not exist in your bibles.
Exk 37:3 And he said unto me Son of man can these bones live? And i answered , O Lord GOD, you know. (4) and again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O you dry bones, hear the the word of the LORD (5) Thus says, the word of the Lord GOD, unto these “BONES”; Behold, I will cause “BREATH” to enter into you, and you shall live; (6) and I will lay “SINEWS” upon you, and bring up “FLESH” upon you, and cover you with “SKIN”, and put “BREATH” in you, and you shall LIVE; I am the LORD,
Not one scripture anywhere shows us a SPIRIT “BODY” RESURRECTION of any Kind.
Wakeup…..It is not our Pride that causes us not to agree with you , it is your lack of understanding the scriptures that is the problem here.
Jesus is and was a PURE PHYSICAL BEING who was raise as such from the Grave and Still is a Physical flesh and bone Human being, who will drink Wine with his disciples when he return , Just as he said he would . You have not one shed of evidence where he changed to something else after his Resurrection.
All your teachings of Jesus being different then we are is only advancing the very work of SATAN, and I know you do not understand that. Satan wants us all to believe Jesus is not truly one of us Human beings , event though scriptures show and says differently it says, He is the “first” of “MANY” BROTHERS, to be BORN into the KINGDOM of GOD. If he is or was different then we are , then he was never our “true” brother as scripture say he was.
You have removed yourself from identifying with Jesus, making him different then you are and we are, so you can truthfully say you are not like him, now or never will be, you do not believe this also” UNTIL WE ALL COME TO THE MEASURE AND “FULL” STATURE OF CHRIST JESUS. This is never possible for you with your mindset. IMO
Your believing Jesus was only disguised as a Human being, after his Resurrection, is completely false, Jesus is now exactly as he was after his resurrection from his grave.
peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Kewin………True God uses Satan to bring about his purposes on this earth, and most of the time he is probably not even aware of it. Satan hates hum an being because of the great honor and glory and authority God has given us.
Scripture plainly says God has put all thing under the foot of man, and in that he says “ALL” Things , there is nothing that is not under the foot of man. Satan is Jealous and envious of us and would kill us all, if God permitted him to. He indeed dose, go about like a roaring Lion to seeking who he can devour . But thank be to God the Father he limits his powers. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Hi WU,
Man is a living soul.
But his flesh is a house.Rom 7
2Cor 5We await being housed from above.
Like Paul I want rid of this creaky old house and to put on one from aboveHi GB
Phil 3
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,16:01) Wakeup, Even in rebellion Satan and his servants are still considered part of the host of heaven. He and his servants behave much like he did when called before God as there is not one thing they can do unless God gives them the power to do it.
Kerwin.Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not;
***neither was their place found any more in heaven***.Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
***he was cast out into the earth***
and his angels were cast out with him.NO MORE PLACE FOR SATAN IN HEAVEN.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,16:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2014,03:41) Hi WU,
Yes as he is now.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom
Nick,You quoted that passage wrong as it is flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God nor can corruption inherit incorruption. You said enter.
Inherit is speaking of the new heaven and the new earth and not of the current heaven nor of the current earth.
Kerwin.Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall ***enter*** into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
If one can enter, he also inherits the kingdom.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2014,11:03) Hi KW,
Dan 8 13f sorry
Nick,Daniel 8:13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
I do not see where that reveals Jesus was changed from being flesh and bone after he revealed himself to Thomas and the other disciples. Were you quoting it as evidence to someone else?
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,09:20) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,13:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,03:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,06:25) Nick, Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?
Kerwin .(QUOTE]
Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?The scriptures below does not describe Jesus as flesh.
Not only His appearance,but his name also.Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
John did not see what the apostles saw and touched.
John saw Jesus as he really is.wakeup.
Wakeup.Let us speculate that they are speaking of him having the visual appearance of a lamb instead of like the son of man. In this case the golden girdle would be around his paps which on a lamb are lower down the torso than on a human. His hair would be the same color as snow white wool. His eyes would by like flames of fire, which is to be full of zeal. His feet would look like the were fine brass that has been burned in a forge, and his voice would sound like a multitude of waters. His tongue as sharp as a two edged sword and he would hold seven stars in his front paw. His face would shine as strong as the sun at its strongest. He would wear many crowns and he would have a name written that no man knew but himself. Despite all this he would still be a lamb.[/quote]
Kerwin.1.He is also the tree of life.
2.The spritual rock gushing out clear fresh water.
3.Melchisedek the first high priest of God.
4. The true shepherd; the branch.
5.The Word of God.
6.The man crucified.
7.The man wounded.
8.The Lamb of God.
9.The king of kings;and Lord of Lords.
10.And the Alpha and Omega.Kerwin;Your are cluching straws. Lay down your pride:
for the humble will be given knowledge.wakeup.
Wakeup,Even if all you claim is true, and Nick question that, none it is evidence Jesus is not still a human being nor is it evidence he is a ghost.
Wakeup,
Satan lost his place in heaven long ago when he first sinned. He rules this dark world and reports to God just as he did in the days of Job.
Why do you think this world still suffers the adversity that Job did and more?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 12 2014,01:25) To All…………..No scripture say flesh and blood can not go into the Kingdom of God, that is so obviously in error. also scripture says neither can any flesh and blood see the kingdom of God, “WHY”? because the kingdom of God come without “OBSERVATION” (physical site),for it is “WITHIN” you. The kingdom of God is “SPIRITUALLY PERCEIVED”, it is not Physically seen. God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and truth Spirit is Spirit , flesh is flesh, they are not the same thing, they each are part of a living Soul. Both are need to be a living Soul. Do you people just throw out these scriptures to meet you dogmas, as if they did not exist in your bibles.
Exk 37:3 And he said unto me Son of man can these bones live? And i answered , O Lord GOD, you know. (4) and again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O you dry bones, hear the the word of the LORD (5) Thus says, the word of the Lord GOD, unto these “BONES”; Behold, I will cause “BREATH” to enter into you, and you shall live; (6) and I will lay “SINEWS” upon you, and bring up “FLESH” upon you, and cover you with “SKIN”, and put “BREATH” in you, and you shall LIVE; I am the LORD,
Not one scripture anywhere shows us a SPIRIT “BODY” RESURRECTION of any Kind.
Wakeup…..It is not our Pride that causes us not to agree with you , it is your lack of understanding the scriptures that is the problem here.
Jesus is and was a PURE PHYSICAL BEING who was raise as such from the Grave and Still is a Physical flesh and bone Human being, who will drink Wine with his disciples when he return , Just as he said he would . You have not one shed of evidence where he changed to something else after his Resurrection.
All your teachings of Jesus being different then we are is only advancing the very work of SATAN, and I know you do not understand that. Satan wants us all to believe Jesus is not truly one of us Human beings , event though scriptures show and says differently it says, He is the “first” of “MANY” BROTHERS, to be BORN into the KINGDOM of GOD. If he is or was different then we are , then he was never our “true” brother as scripture say he was.
You have removed yourself from identifying with Jesus, making him different then you are and we are, so you can truthfully say you are not like him, now or never will be, you do not believe this also” UNTIL WE ALL COME TO THE MEASURE AND “FULL” STATURE OF CHRIST JESUS. This is never possible for you with your mindset. IMO
Your believing Jesus was only disguised as a Human being, after his Resurrection, is completely false, Jesus is now exactly as he was after his resurrection from his grave.
peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Gene B.Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
THE KINGDOM IS AT HAND. COMING SOON.
HOW CAN IT BE AT HAND; WHEN IT IS IN YOU?
YOU UNDERSTOOD IT WRONG.Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
THE KINGDOM IS AT HAND. IT IS COMING.
Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
ENTER INTO.HOW CAN YOU ENTER THE KINGDOM IF IT IS WITHIN YOU?
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
THE KINGDOM IS COMING; NOT IN YOU AS YOU
SEE IT.Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM.
Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west,
***and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and
Jacob***,
in the kingdom of heaven.HOW CAN THE KINGDOM BE IN YOU;
AS YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT?
IS ABRAHAM THERE IN YOU?wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2014,05:24) Wakeup, Satan lost his place in heaven long ago when he first sinned. He rules this dark world and reports to God just as he did in the days of Job.
Why do you think this world still suffers the adversity that Job did and more?
Kerwin.If you read rev.12 carefully; you will notice that the dragon was cast out soon after the resurrection of Jesus.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,13:06) I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?
Kerwin,There are many explanations, which I don't have the patience to go through with you. I will share just one possibility:
Moses asked to see God's glory. God pointed out to Moses that He would indeed allow Moses to see the amount of His glory that a human eye is capable of beholding.
And, just as an explanation to Moses, God was saying, “I will indeed let you see as much of me as you can see without dying. But no human being can literally see me, as I am, without dying.”
In other words: “You can't see my face” = “You can't see me as I am, but I will show you some stuff that no other human being has ever seen……. but only as much stuff as your eyes can handle.”
Kerwin, show me the scripture that says God doesn't have a form.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2014,15:44) Hi ,
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
These were the angelic sons in heaven of course
Of course.Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,17:38) Wakeup, I did not say that when the human sons of God went to report to God in Job when Satan was also among them. I said that both humans and angels are the sons of God by creation and that some are also his sons by obedience to his word.
I have always viewed that passage as saying that Satan was traveling with God's angels even though he was not with them. Mike pointed out it could be understood differently and I deemed he was correct.
Yes,We and the angels are all literal sons of God. Those who choose to walk in God's ways are sons to Him in an even better way. But even those who don't choose to walk in His ways are still literal sons of God.
Satan was one of the angels of God who came to present himself in Job 1 and 2.
He remains an angel and a son of God to this day. A rebellious son, but a son nonetheless. And as of the time Jesus was on earth, Satan was still on talking terms with his God, Jehovah.
Satan asked God for permission to sift us like wheat. Jesus warned us of this request because the request was apparently granted by God. This is what it means that God will let the crop and the weeds grow together, until the time comes to pluck out the weeds from the good grain.
This is what it means for us to be on our guard, because Satan, masquerading as an angel of light, is still out there trying to sift us and see who he can separate from God.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,12:35) Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2014,05:24) Wakeup, Satan lost his place in heaven long ago when he first sinned. He rules this dark world and reports to God just as he did in the days of Job.
Why do you think this world still suffers the adversity that Job did and more?
Kerwin.If you read rev.12 carefully; you will notice that the dragon was cast out soon after the resurrection of Jesus.
wakeup.
It's tough to pinpoint when Satan was (will be?) cast out of heaven.Before the resurrection, Jesus said he SAW Satan fall to the earth like lightning. Was Jesus speaking in a prophetic fashion – talking of things yet to be?
And in Revelation, is there really a time given that the accuser of the brethren was cast out of heaven? This was, after all, a revelation of things “soon to come”.
Perhaps he hasn't yet been cast out. Perhaps that is something that will soon happen.
How can we know for sure?
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