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Mike,
It seems I assumed you were following the same reasoning I was when you were not.
I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?
God then offered the alternative of seeing his back. Since no man has seen God, back included, he could not have been offering Moses to see the features of his back.
Hi KW,
There is nothing in scripture to say the final resurrection will be back into the bodies now turned to dust.
It is not even plain that is will be on earth.All will be naked souls seen by the Lord as sheep or goats
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,06:06) Mike, It seems I assumed you were following the same reasoning I was when you were not.
I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?
God then offered the alternative of seeing his back. Since no man has seen God, back included, he could not have been offering Moses to see the features of his back.
Kerwin.You seem to believe that man can not see God,and live.
But then you contradict yourself, by saying the flesh sons
of God had a meeting with God in heaven with satan.Job 1:6 Now there was a day when
**the sons of God**
**came to present themselves before the LORD**,
and Satan came also among them.Please explain your believe.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,06:25) Nick, Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?
Kerwin .(QUOTE]
Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?[/QUOTE]The scriptures below does not describe Jesus as flesh.
Not only His appearance,but his name also.Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
John did not see what the apostles saw and touched.
John saw Jesus as he really is.wakeup.
Hi ,
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
These were the angelic sons in heaven of course
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2014,08:44) Hi ,
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
These were the angelic sons in heaven of course
Nick.Kerwin refused to see that, because he is holding on to his
pride.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2014,08:41) Hi WU,
Yes as he is now.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom
Nick.Kerwin and Gene B, refused to see,because of own pride.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
I did not say that when the human sons of God went to report to God in Job when Satan was also among them. I said that both humans and angels are the sons of God by creation and that some are also his sons by obedience to his word.
I have always viewed that passage as saying that Satan was traveling with God's angels even though he was not with them. Mike pointed out it could be understood differently and I deemed he was correct.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,03:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,06:25) Nick, Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?
Kerwin .(QUOTE]
Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?[/QUOTE]The scriptures below does not describe Jesus as flesh.
Not only His appearance,but his name also.Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
John did not see what the apostles saw and touched.
John saw Jesus as he really is.wakeup.
Wakeup.Let us speculate that they are speaking of him having the visual appearance of a lamb instead of like the son of man. In this case the golden girdle would be around his paps which on a lamb are lower down the torso than on a human. His hair would be the same color as snow white wool. His eyes would by like flames of fire, which is to be full of zeal. His feet would look like the were fine brass that has been burned in a forge, and his voice would sound like a multitude of waters. His tongue as sharp as a two edged sword and he would hold seven stars in his front paw. His face would shine as strong as the sun at its strongest. He would wear many crowns and he would have a name written that no man knew but himself. Despite all this he would still be a lamb.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,13:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,03:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,06:25) Nick, Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?
Kerwin .(QUOTE]
Do you see any evidence that Jesus' body changed after he revealed it was flesh and bone?The scriptures below does not describe Jesus as flesh.
Not only His appearance,but his name also.Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
John did not see what the apostles saw and touched.
John saw Jesus as he really is.wakeup.[/quote]
Wakeup.Let us speculate that they are speaking of him having the visual appearance of a lamb instead of like the son of man. In this case the golden girdle would be around his paps which on a lamb are lower down the torso than on a human. His hair would be the same color as snow white wool. His eyes would by like flames of fire, which is to be full of zeal. His feet would look like the were fine brass that has been burned in a forge, and his voice would sound like a multitude of waters. His tongue as sharp as a two edged sword and he would hold seven stars in his front paw. His face would shine as strong as the sun at its strongest. He would wear many crowns and he would have a name written that no man knew but himself. Despite all this he would still be a lamb.
Kerwin.1.He is also the tree of life.
2.The spritual rock gushing out clear fresh water.
3.Melchisedek the first high priest of God.
4. The true shepherd; the branch.
5.The Word of God.
6.The man crucified.
7.The man wounded.
8.The Lamb of God.
9.The king of kings;and Lord of Lords.
10.And the Alpha and Omega.Kerwin;Your are cluching straws. Lay down your pride:
for the humble will be given knowledge.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,10:38) Wakeup, I did not say that when the human sons of God went to report to God in Job when Satan was also among them. I said that both humans and angels are the sons of God by creation and that some are also his sons by obedience to his word.
I have always viewed that passage as saying that Satan was traveling with God's angels even though he was not with them. Mike pointed out it could be understood differently and I deemed he was correct.
Kerwin.So if you believe that those sons of God are angels;
Then why can you not believe that the sons of God, came down to earth to defile themselves with women?
Why would you involve the sons of cain?What do you mean by satan traveling with the angels?
They are not close brothers anymore.
Satan has chosen his own way.wakeup.
Wakeup,
I believe that angels have never married nor been given in marriage nor are they tempted by the lust of the flesh. They are asexual creatures as they have never required to reproduce.
I am not romance but then I am not sure whether or not there are female angels. If so then there may well be some romantic but asexual bonds among angels.
Wakeup,
Even in rebellion Satan and his servants are still considered part of the host of heaven. He and his servants behave much like he did when called before God as there is not one thing they can do unless God gives them the power to do it.
Hi WU,
Scripture never says Jesus is Melchizadek
You are not allowed to add your ideas.If fact it says he is a priest of the order of Melchizadek
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2014,03:41) Hi WU,
Yes as he is now.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom
Nick,You quoted that passage wrong as it is flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God nor can corruption inherit incorruption. You said enter.
Inherit is speaking of the new heaven and the new earth and not of the current heaven nor of the current earth.
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