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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,10:52) Hi WU,
In heaven??
Perhaps you mean angelic sons?
More obtusity, Nick?God and His spirit sons dwell in heaven. Were you not aware of this?
Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2014,11:47) God does not father children as a man. His children are those that worship him in spirit and not those of his body, for he has no body.
Says who?Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2014,05:40) Kewin. You believe God is a spirit.
But you also believe that God's only begotten Son is born flesh; and is now still flesh.
And we also will be flesh.??Is Jesus not God's only begotten Son??
Is God not a spirit??
Are His sons in heaven not spirit sons??wakeup.
Give it up, Wakeup.Kerwin is eager to write his own Bible, and start his own religion – like Joseph Smith did.
You are telling it correctly, but Kerwin wants to “stand out” as “special” with his crazy “spiritual flesh” concept.
Hi MB,
“God and His spirit sons dwell in heaven.”
Yes the angelic sons of God at least visit heaven
Jb 1-3kerwin.
You must believe this scripture.
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels.spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2014,11:47) God does not father children as a man. His children are those that worship him in spirit and not those of his body, for he has no body.
Says who?
Mike,Bodies are created things as they occupy space.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2014,09:13) kerwin. You must believe this scripture.
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels.spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
wakeup.
Wakeup.Both angels and ministers are God's creature of heaven. Angels carry his messages and ministers serve him in other ways. God has made his messengers as fast as the wind and his ministers as zealous as flames of fire. The KJV confused the translations as Lutherans do not believe angels have a physical body and the chosen translation favors that teaching.
Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2014,14:45) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2014,09:13) kerwin. You must believe this scripture.
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels.spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
wakeup.
Wakeup.Both angels and ministers are God's creature of heaven. Angels carry his messages and ministers serve him in other ways. God has made his messengers as fast as the wind and his ministers as zealous as flames of fire. The KJV confused the translations as Lutherans do not believe angels have a physical body and the chosen translation favors that teaching.
Kerwin.You have chosen the cherry you liked.
That suits your taste,but not necessary the truth.
Always blame the translation, everytime it contradicts
your teachings.
But where will you end up Kerwin?So far you have denied these sriptures:
1.When you are born of the spirit you are spirit.
You said: no so.2.The angels are made spirit.
You said: not so.3. God is a spirit,and his only begotten Son is also spirit.
You said: not so; God's Son is flesh.4. We as children of God will also be spirit.
You said: not so,we will be flesh.But flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom.
You said: but we will be of some special flesh.
This special flesh is an invention. Like putty filler;excellent for fixing cracks.The crack to fill;you dont know yet; but it is isaiah 11 and 65. and zech 14.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2014,14:13) kerwin. You must believe this scripture.
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels.spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
wakeup.
Wakeup……….God also makes our Spirits, so are we spirit beings also. He made Jesus' spirit and sent him forth to Minister, so was he a Spirit being without a body or a human being with a body. Jesus said he was not a Spirit because a spirit did not have flesh and bone as he said he had and the was after his resurrection by the way.You or anyone else have put forth not one scripture that say Angels do not have bodies, your assuming that because scripture says God makes his angels spirits, that means he makes “THEM” Spirit Beings. You implant the word “Being” there and scripture doe not say that only you and others do. But many scriptures show they had bodies and even could eat as they did with Abraham.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Wakeup……..Flesh and blood is not what does the thinking in us , it is the Spirit, and so it (flesh and blood) cannot enter the kingdom of God , it is the spirit in this flesh and blood body that enters the kingdom of God. Or don't you believe what Jesus said, The Kingdom of God come “NOT WITH OBSERVATION “IT” IS “WITHIN” YOU.
peace and love to you and your……………………….gene
Wakeup,
You dodged Nick's question. Is it because you believe it introduces a new kind that is not angels, a kind you have not heard of previously?
The reason it does not exist is because the AV of the KJV is a biased translation, just like every other translation I have seen. The Koine Greek translations are more reliable than English ones and even they have their differences.
Psalms 104:4
English Revised Version4Who maketh winds his messengers; his ministers a flaming fire:
Psalms 104:4
English Standard Version4he makes his messengers winds,
his ministers a flaming fire.Either of the two are more accurate than the KJV but the ESV seems more in keeping with Paul's words in Hebrews 1:7 as both parts are speaking of angels not just the first noun clause.
Wakeup,
Quote 1.When you are born of the spirit you are spirit.
You said: no so.You speak an untruth. Those born of spirit do not have bodies composed of spirit instead the become children of God; not genetically or of the body, but spiritually, of the Spirit.
You are just forcing passage from Scripture to say what the desires of you flesh want instead of listening to the teachings of the Spirit; which would teach you to be righteous as God is righteous.
Nick already pointed out that those who are born of spirit are “born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God” but you chose not to believe.
A righteous man states:
Psalm 51:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 Create in me a clean heart, O God;
and renew a right spirit within me.Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2014,20:51) Wakeup, flesh is bound to corruption free it and it is no longer corrupt.
It is the Gnostics that taught matter, including the flesh, is corrupt.
They teach you must be enlightened to escape the flesh and become a spirit being.
Kflesh is not bound to sin ;or corruption ;it chooses to be in sin ;corruption is found in the soul that sins,
life is waiting to those that live without sinning against the holy spirit ,
T,
Quote Romans 8:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
I was using the AV of the KJV because I was writing to wakeup. Here is another way to say the same thing.
Romans 8:21
English Standard Version (ESV)21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
The creation itself, flesh included, will be set free from its bondage of corruption and obtain the same freedom as the children of God.
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2014,00:29) T, Quote Romans 8:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
I was using the AV of the KJV because I was writing to wakeup. Here is another way to say the same thing.
Romans 8:21
English Standard Version (ESV)21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
The creation itself, flesh included, will be set free from its bondage of corruption and obtain the same freedom as the children of God.
Kunderstand that God could have stopped the sin of Adam to progress but he did not do so and so let all creation be in bondage to sin and corruption until the grace came for to change it .
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2014,05:29) T, Quote Romans 8:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
I was using the AV of the KJV because I was writing to wakeup. Here is another way to say the same thing.
Romans 8:21
English Standard Version (ESV)21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
The creation itself, flesh included, will be set free from its bondage of corruption and obtain the same freedom as the children of God.
Kerwin………..Good post brother. Mankind is indeed God's Crown Jewell of his creation, and this physical creation will all be delivered from the bondage of corruption unto the glories liberty of the sons of God. It will never be done away with. God has place mankind even over angels and “ALL” the works of his hands are under his feet, Just as it say in Heb and Psalms, it also says know you not you shall judge angels .The concept of mankind being inferior is of the synagogues of Satan himself. He is the one who want us all to believe Jesus as not one of us, it is he who created the “DOCTRINE of SEPARATION” which separates Jesus from our EXACT identity with him, and most of all Christendom has fallen into believing it.
But a few God has given the ability to see through Satan's Lies, They know what God said about his physical creation was it was Good and when God says a thing is Good , it is indeed Good.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,21:04) Hi MB,
“God and His spirit sons dwell in heaven.”
Yes the angelic sons of God at least visit heaven
Jb 1-3
Matthew 18:10
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2014,21:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2014,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2014,11:47) God does not father children as a man. His children are those that worship him in spirit and not those of his body, for he has no body.
Says who?
Mike,Bodies are created things as they occupy space.
Kerwin,LIVING BEINGS also occupy space. Does that mean ALL living beings, including Jehovah, were created?
Your reasoning is flawed.
Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2014,21:45) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2014,09:13) kerwin. You must believe this scripture.
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels.spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
wakeup.
Wakeup.God has made his messengers as fast as the wind and his ministers as zealous as flames of fire. The KJV confused the translations…………
The KJV confused the translation by not ADDING your words, “as fast as” and “as zealous as”?
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