What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

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Gene,

I have previously said enough to convince them if they were open to being convinced. There is continuously a chance something may click before they are subject to judgement. I have look after my own soul.

November 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm#362918

GeneBalthrop

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Wakeup…….You must not have read what i suggested for you to read.

Ezk 37:5…> Thus saith the LORD GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live, (6) And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live and you shall know that I and he LORD.

Now here is more ….Ezk 37:13….> And you shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of you graves, (14) And shall put my spirit “IN” you and you shall live, then you shall know I the LORD have spoken it and performed it, says the LORD

Wakeup reread the whole thing and take each thing into consideration and remember he also said, that flesh and bone resurrection was the “WHOLE” house of ISRAEL, not just part of it.

peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

December 1, 2013 at 4:56 am#362926

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2013,09:21)

Wakeup…….You must not have read what i suggested for you to read.

Wakeup reread the whole thing and take each thing into consideration and remember he also sis that that flesh and bone resurrection was the the “WHOLE” house of ISRAEL, nor just part of it.

peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

Gene B.

I could not find any fault in what you have said to Kerwin.
Except the spirit.

It depends what sort of spirit we are talking about.
1.The breath of life is the spirit of life,comes from God.

2.The spirit of man is what he lives for. For the lust of the flesh or for God.For the **SPIRIT of the world** or the spirit of God.

3.Angels have spirit bodies;celestial bodies.There is a terrestrial body(ours) and there is a celestial body(angels).

4.Evil spirits dont have a body,for they are the souls of them that died in the flood(the hybrids).For thy are 50/50.
And not accepted in heaven.

5. Fallen angels have a celestial body.

6.Jesus lived only for God,He has no desires of the flesh,
except for eating and drinking.

7. God is a spirit;and yet he can have a body.
Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

wakeup.

December 2, 2013 at 4:56 am#362994

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,14:56)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2013,09:21)

Wakeup…….You must not have read what i suggested for you to read.

Wakeup reread the whole thing and take each thing into consideration and remember he also sis that that flesh and bone resurrection was the the “WHOLE” house of ISRAEL, nor just part of it.

peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

Gene B.

I could not find any fault in what you have said to Kerwin.
Except the spirit.

It depends what sort of spirit we are talking about.
1.The breath of life is the spirit of life,comes from God.

2.The spirit of man is what he lives for. For the lust of the flesh or for God.For the **SPIRIT of the world** or the spirit of God.

3.Angels have spirit bodies;celestial bodies.There is a terrestrial body(ours) and there is a celestial body(angels).

4.Evil spirits dont have a body,for they are the souls of them that died in the flood(the hybrids).For thy are 50/50.
And not accepted in heaven.

5. Fallen angels have a celestial body.

6.Jesus lived only for God,He has no desires of the flesh,
except for eating and drinking.

7. God is a spirit;and yet he can have a body.
Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

wakeup.

Wakeup……….All spirit is Spirit, the key is to understand what spirit itself is Wakeup, I do agree spirits come in all type and kinds and they very from each other, but they still are spirits, none the less. Spirit are not beings as such, they are what makes up beings, they are the INTELLECTS that give us our COGNATE awareness, they are what Life itsel is. They do not have bodies at all, YAHWEH our GOD, took physical matter and made a body and put life ( spirit ) in it and then it (the physical body became a “LIVING SOUL” .

Spirit can not ever die, that is why when we die the Spirit leaves us and goes back to YAHWEH who gave it to us in the first place. Then we as living souls cease to exist, we are dead ( no longer alive) and we will remain that way forever, unless YAHWEH our God, recreates a new flesh BODY and adds LIFE giving Spirit (living spirit) into it .

Wakeup………..It is apsoluitely crucial we attain unto a resurrection of a flesh body, inorder for us to continue to exist after death, the same applied for Jesus also. He plainly said a spirit does not have flesh and bone as he said he had.

Another interesting thing if you compair Ezekiel with what Jesus said about his resurrected body having flesh and bone, in Ezekiel it describes the resurrected bodies as flesh and bone also, but not flesh and blood bodies. Perhaps there is a new body that is composed of flesh and bone, but not flesh and blood. I find that interesting in each case the bodies after the resurection seems to be described different then bodies before the resurection are, they are generally described as flesh and blood bodies. Just thought that was interesting, but none the less they are BODIES and they are Physical it appears.

Another passing point Jesus told us God is a spirit , so some would say does he have a body , the answer is GOD LIVES in and through he creation. So in this sense he does have bodies he is dwelling in , that is why it say , that God may in all and through all. We also know there are SEVEN SPIRITS Call the Seven Spirits of GOD these are before his throne, they are called also the eyes of God in revelations . Our Bodies are also called the temples of God says Paul, know you not that your BODIES “ARE” the TEMPLES of the living GOD

Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm#362997

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 02 2013,14:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,14:56)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2013,09:21)

Wakeup…….You must not have read what i suggested for you to read.

Wakeup reread the whole thing and take each thing into consideration and remember he also sis that that flesh and bone resurrection was the the “WHOLE” house of ISRAEL, nor just part of it.

peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

Gene B.

I could not find any fault in what you have said to Kerwin.
Except the spirit.

It depends what sort of spirit we are talking about.
1.The breath of life is the spirit of life,comes from God.

2.The spirit of man is what he lives for. For the lust of the flesh or for God.For the **SPIRIT of the world** or the spirit of God.

3.Angels have spirit bodies;celestial bodies.There is a terrestrial body(ours) and there is a celestial body(angels).

4.Evil spirits dont have a body,for they are the souls of them that died in the flood(the hybrids).For thy are 50/50.
And not accepted in heaven.

5. Fallen angels have a celestial body.

6.Jesus lived only for God,He has no desires of the flesh,
except for eating and drinking.

7. God is a spirit;and yet he can have a body.
Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

wakeup.

Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

Gene B.

It seems that the appearing of Christ in the flesh
with all his wounds is still your stumbling block.

If jesus is now flesh and blood:

1. In the beginning the Word of God was also flesh.
2.All the angels are flesh.
3.Satan and his angels are flesh.
4.Flesh and blood *does* inherit the kingdom in heaven.
5.The saints will be resurrected in the flesh.
6.Jesus coming in rev.19 will be in the flesh.
7.This also means that the Word was made flesh, from
the original flesh.

Please read these scriptures.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it **doth not yet appear what we shall be**: but we know that, when *he shall appear, we shall be like him*;
**for we *shall* see him as he is**.

This means that the apostles did not see Jesus as he is.
They saw Him in the flesh with all his wounds.

This is how He really is:

Revelation 19:12
***His eyes were as a flame of fire***,
and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name
written, that **no man knew**, but he himself.

(He did not have those eyes when he
appeared to the apostles)

(no man knew): Luke 10:22.no man knows who the son is but the Father no man knows who the Father is but the son,and he whom the son will reveal him).

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called
***The Word of God***.
(Back as He was before; the Word of God).

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he *shall* rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

wakeup.

December 2, 2013 at 3:34 pm#362999

GeneBalthrop

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Wakeup………We shall see Jesus as he is ,simply means as he exists so shall we exist, another words in the same kind of Body.

As fare as flesh and “BLOOD” goes i tried to show you that the resurrected Christ said he was Flesh and Bone , he did not say flesh and blood, so to me there is a change of types of bodies, but none the less it still was a body. I believe it is like the bodies of angels, angels have bodies and God make their spirit (intellects) in them , just as our Spirits in us were made by him.

Maybe this will help, Our present flesh and blood bodies are keep alive by the blood moving through it, because it says life is :IN: the blood, but our flesh and bone resurrected bodies, will be keep alive by Spirit in it, not by blood, but by spirit, therefore it is a “SPIRITUAL” “maintained” body, but a physical body none the less, this is how i see it brother.

The word “spiritual' does not mean Spirit but means spirit sustained like saying a spiritual “minded” person , it mean that the person is spiritual minded, not that he is a Spirit.

Another point Wakeup is a “word' is never a person itself, that is a twisted perversion of false teachings, a word is the product of intellect or intelligence that is uttered, nothing more, however a word does come “FROM” Spirit that is true, “God is a Spirit” and His word comes from that Spirit. God and his word are one and the same thing, because it is the Spirit of God that produces his words, just as our spirits produce our words that we utter.

Making the word,a being, rather then the product from a Being is a false teaching , a word comes from a beings spirit in him. Therefore we are told to try the spirits to see if they are from God what are we trying if not the “words” being produced or spoken from those spirits in a being. Jesus had the Spirits of God “IN” Him and spoke accordingly. the words i am telling you are spirit and are life why life, because Spirit gives us our cognate awareness which is LIFE, our word express that life , and the same thing is with God the Father, Yahweh , His seven spirits express him also, just as our Spirits do us.

Jesus has all seven of those Spirit of God in him and therefore the fullness of God dwelt in a body form because they Those Seven Spirit of God were “IN” Him just as he said . now if the Spirit of him who raised Christ Jesus from the “DEAD” dwell “IN” you it shall also quicken (bring to life) you Mortal (dead) Body. and again The son of man can do “NOTHING” of himself, the Father who is “IN” HE does the works and again believe you not that the Father is “IN” me? and again, my lord “AND” My GOD Thomas came to see God the Father was fully present “IN” Jesus' his lords (adoni) body. Therefore Jesus said, I am not alone, the Father is with me, so there were TWO that bore witness, Jesus an God the Father who was “IN” him. IMO

peace and love to you and yours and to all who understand this………………………….gene

December 2, 2013 at 7:14 pm#363000

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Wakeup,

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5. Fallen angels have a celestial body.

That is not written in Scripture. The Sun is a celestial body, as does the moon, the stars, and all other celestial objects that have bodies.

December 2, 2013 at 8:35 pm#363006

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,00:14)

Wakeup,

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5. Fallen angels have a celestial body.

That is not written in Scripture. The Sun has a celestial body, as does the moon, the stars, and all other celestial objects that have bodies.

kerwin

does the scriptures says ;”object”

December 2, 2013 at 9:25 pm#363009

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 03 2013,01:35)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,00:14)

Wakeup,

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5. Fallen angels have a celestial body.

That is not written in Scripture. The Sun has a celestial body, as does the moon, the stars, and all other celestial objects that have bodies.

kerwin

does the scriptures says ;”object”

The examples it gives are the Sun, moon, and stars. I used object to cover those I did not remember as it iss a word that covers all celestial objects.

December 3, 2013 at 12:11 am#363022

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2013,01:34)

Wakeup………We shall see Jesus as he is ,simply means as he exists so shall we exist, another words in the same kind of Body.

The word “spiritual' does not mean Spirit but means spirit sustained like saying a spiritual “minded” person , it mean that the person is spiritual minded, not that he is a Spirit.

peace and love to you and yours and to all who understand this………………………….gene

Gene b.

You have not read my previous post re' SPIRIT:

Believe Jesus and his words;not mens words.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh **is flesh**; and that which is born of the Spirit
***is spirit***.(period).

There is no need to change those words of Jesus
with your own words.
Spirit: as the angels are spirit creatures,body and mind.
So are the fallen angels and satan;they are not flesh and bone.

Flesh and bone/blood can not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The Word of God is spirit. Not flesh and bone.
The annointed Cherub lucifer was not flesh and bone.
The four beasts around God's throne are not of flesh and bone. Micha'el/Gabri'el is not flesh and bone.
Cherubims,Seraphims,Ephanims are not flesh and bone.
The whole host of heaven are not flesh and bone.

wakeup.

December 3, 2013 at 12:25 am#363026

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,14:30)

The word is “psuchikos” and means “of or belonging to the breath” according to BibleStudyTools.com. It is derive from the word “Psuche”, which is often translated soul.

Kerwin,

1. Is it your understanding that BODIES have souls of their own? Because my understanding is that a PERSON has a soul, not that a BODY has a soul of its own. And in 1 Cor 15, Paul is clearly talking about the BODIES with which the dead will be raised, right? So is he telling us that the body in which we now dwell has a soul, and is therefore a “soulish” body?

2. Is it your understanding we WON'T HAVE a soul after the resurrection? When our “soulish” BODY is gone, are we to be soul-less?

December 3, 2013 at 12:28 am#363027

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,14:58)

As far as I can tell your teaching is the newest on this subject as the debate for centuries has been whether angels have bodies naturally united with them, assume a body when needed, or have no body at all.

That seems a senseless debate, since the bodies of angels are clearly described in many scriptures.

How many of the early scholars taught that angels consisted of flesh IN HEAVEN, Kerwin? Who among them taught that flesh of any kind can dwell in heaven?

December 3, 2013 at 12:35 am#363028

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,14:58)

……..it is commonly known that spirits neither can be touched or eat as they have no body even when they have a form.

It might be commonly BELIEVED, but it surely isn't “commonly KNOWN”. Angels have eaten and have been touched in scripture, and angels are ministering spirits.

December 3, 2013 at 12:36 am#363029

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Wakeup,

This one is all yours. I've better things to do than to go through this stuff with Kerwin and Gene all over again.

If you're interested, you can check out my thread Do Angels Have Bodies? There you'll find over 500 pages of this discussion.

December 3, 2013 at 1:04 am#363034

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 03 2013,10:36)

Wakeup,

This one is all yours. I've better things to do than to go through this stuff with Kerwin and Gene all over again.

If you're interested, you can check out my thread Do Angels Have Bodies? There you'll find over 500 pages of this discussion.

Mike B.

Yes, I know this has been going a for along time.
Mens interpretation against scriptures.
Where they get this idea from ;only God knows.
Micha'el;Gabrie'el;the Cherubims,Seraphims,Ephanims,
are not flesh and bone.

Flesh can not enter into the kingdom of God.
They ignored this statement completely.
Angels are not created of the dust of the earth.

wakeup.

December 3, 2013 at 2:55 am#363047

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Wakeup,

Like you, Mike is unable to satisfactory explain why spirits can eat and be touched when Jesus denied being one because he do both.

It is certainly not the only place your claim that Jesus is spirit falls short of the truth.

December 3, 2013 at 3:22 am#363048

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 03 2013,05:35)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,14:58)

……..it is commonly known that spirits neither can be touched or eat as they have no body even when they have a form.

It might be commonly BELIEVED, but it surely isn't “commonly KNOWN”. Angels have eaten and have been touched in scripture, and angels are ministering spirits.

Mike,

A spirit has no body. It is a ghost. That is why so many argue they have to make a body in order to eat or be touched even though Scripture does not say that.

December 3, 2013 at 3:33 am#363050

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 03 2013,05:25)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,14:30)

The word is “psuchikos” and means “of or belonging to the breath” according to BibleStudyTools.com. It is derive from the word “Psuche”, which is often translated soul.

Kerwin,

2. Is it your understanding we WON'T HAVE a soul after the resurrection? When our “soulish” BODY is gone, are we to be soul-less?

Mike,

It is my understanding that since the original Hebrew versions of Scripture state that the animal soul is in the blood then in some way the soul is in the blood.

So at least twice Paul referred to the animal soul in his argument as the to type of body that would not inherit God's reign. There is nowhere in Scripture that states only spirit can enter the kingdom of God and what it does state is that the combination of flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. Even you choose to ignore the references to the animal soul it does not say flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

December 3, 2013 at 7:06 am#363057

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,07:55)

Wakeup,

Like you, Mike is unable to satisfactory explain why spirits can eat and be touched when Jesus denied being one because he do both.

It is certainly not the only place your claim that Jesus is spirit falls short of the truth.

I believe that Jesus wanted to show that he was not a type of gost because his apostles knew he was dead ,and so still where under shock,from what had happen only a few days earlier,and so said ,hey it is me ,yes really me here touch me ,feed me ,I am a real person ,can you not see that it is me your teacher ?

This is what I understand from all the gospels .

December 3, 2013 at 10:58 am#363067