What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

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gene

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Now Go to revelations and Notice that there are Four Creatures that surround the Throne of God and these Four Creatures have, the face of a man with three sets of wings, (representing three tribes), the face of an OX, with three sets of wings, (representing three tribes), the Head of and Eagle, with three sets of wings, (representing three tribes), the Head of and Lion, with three wings, (representing three tribes).

any scriptures on this description

November 4, 2013 at 1:45 am#361047

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Wakeup……What is Man That is a GENERAL Statement for Mankind. Doesn't take a genius it understand that Wakeup. Hebrew add even more to the words of David, by saying that we do not “YET” see, Man (this is also a general statement for mankind). It goes further to encourage us by saying but what do we see, we see Jesus (who like us was made a little lower then the angels also). “NOW” crowned with Glory and Honor.

You problem is because of your past indoctrination you think Mankind is some kind of inferior species, and fail to see Mankind is the “CROWN JEWEL” of all of God's Creation, There is nothing any Higher order in the whole creation of God then Mankind. Except for God himself. You and others like you labor hard preaching a false Doctrine of “SEPARATION” You labor are to drive a wedge between Jesus and His fellow brothers and sisters, not understanding that it is man that shall even judge the angels and the whole world along with Jesus.

Haven't you read where it say Jesus is the “firstborn” of many brothers and we are heirs and Joint heirs with him and man is made in the very “IMAGE” of God himself, and so was Jesus , he is the First born of flesh and blood to enter into eternal life the first to be resurrected to eternal life from the dead. Trying to move Jesus away from his fellow Human being Identity, is exactly what Satan want his followers to do. You have bought into the Lie, Spirit of the Antichrist, which try's to make Jesus something other then a human being, a 100 % pure SON of MAN. He also said he would return as a Son of Man or haven't you read , when the SON OF MAN returns will he find Faith on the earth.

Wakeup i am not trying to put you down, but am telling you you have brought into many false teaching about Jesus and who he is . IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

November 4, 2013 at 1:58 am#361051

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To all…………It apears some think that flesh and blood is inferior in all of Gods creation here. Let get that straightened out first. King David said this and it is repeated in Hebrews, What is man that thou are so mindful of him or the Son of man that so kind to him you have been, you have created him below the Angels, you have crowned him with Glory and Honor, and has put “ALL THINGS” under His (mans) feet, in that you have put “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) foot, there is “NOTHING” that is not under His (mans) feet, “BUT” we do not “YET” see “ALL THINGS” under his (mans) feet, But we see Jesus (a resurrected Man) who was made lower then the Angels (like us) for the tasting of death, “NOW” Crowned with (that) “GLORY and HONOR and “And all things are “NOW” under His feet All Authority in heaven and in the Earth has been placed “UNDER” His Feet. These scriptures plainly show Mans great destiny and potential in the future in the plan of God . If a man was transferred to a Spirit he would no longer even be a Man, so how could this ever apply to him?.

He (Jesus) is the “FIRSTBORN” (into the kingdom of God) of “MANY” Brethren resurrected, from among “MANKIND” Jesus used the term SON of MAN 81 times in scriptures, He even said when the So of MAN returns will he find Faith on the earth So Jesus will return as a SON of MAN, Not and angel or Spirit entity of any kind.

Another fact is that God in Scripture Plainly says for He (God) has “NOT” Subjected the world to come unto Angels. So, so much for the Jesus being and angels thing right?. Because if he is or were and Angel, then he has no part of the world to come right?

Fact is Mankind is the CROWN JEWEL of ALL of GOD's CREATION and there is no Higher ORDER of living things, and No higher Priority given by God, then Mankind, He has made Man to be above all thing in creation (except Him of course).

The whole concept of man being some inferior species created by God, if pure garbage taught by Churches to defame mankind and make themselves appear Pious in the eyes of others. Man is a marvelous creation of God with limitless potential , or have not you read where it say he created man in order to plant the heavens.

We all have a Marvelous future It hasn't even entered the mind of “MAN” the things God has “PLANNED” FOR “HIM”, that loves Him (GOD) and is called according to His purpose. Mankind has far more going for him then against him, not because who man is, but because who God the Father is, and His destined purposes given him from God IMO

peace and love to you all…………………………………………..gene

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying,
****What is man****,
that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; (JESUS)
***thou crownedst him with glory and honour***,
and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
(JESUS IS CROWNED,NOT MANKIND).

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him,
***he left nothing that is not put under HIM***.
***But now we see not yet all things put under him***.
(SPEAKING OF JESUS NOT MANKIND).

Hebrews 2:9 ***But we see Jesus***,
who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, ***crowned with glory and honour***;

that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(ALL ABOUT JESUS,NOT ABOUT MANKIND).

wakeup.

Wakeup…So say you, but it does it does not say, What is the SON of MAN, you have changed the sentence to meet your false assumptions, it plainly says what is “MAN” That is a plain reference to MANKIND But this is how you false teachers butcher scriptures to make them say what in fact they are not saying.

Where it says we do not “YET” See Him, crowned with glory and honor is clearly referencing the whole human race, It was added in the Hebrews text and it is not Just speaking about Jesus even thou Jesus as a Son of Man certainly falls into that category as a Son of Mankind. Another thing you miss is the fact that when Hebrews was written Jesus had already been raised and Glorified, that is why it says ” What do we (now) See, we (now) see Jesus (who was a Man like we are) crowned with that Glory and Honor , that is due all mankind. The author of Hebrews, was holding out to all true Christians their future glory with Jesus and showing God's over all intent for all of mankind.

We are called Joint heirs with Christ Jesus are we not, our destiny is the same as His was and is. But you you mind prevents you from seeing that, because it is filled with all kinds of false concepts about who Jesus really is and was, This is the result of Preexistence and Trinitarian teachings over many years of you life.

This false denigration of Mankind is a work of Satan himself and has infested all Christendom . IMO

Gene B.

I wont dare to change the wording.
Thats in the kjv.

wakeup.

November 4, 2013 at 3:44 am#361077

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gene

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any scriptures on this description

Terricca………There is to much involved for me to post it all here, if you like go to ww.bible fragrances. Com /studies/four banners.html

Pierre you will find this very interesting and I believe it to be accurate. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

November 4, 2013 at 4:10 am#361078

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I wont dare to change the wording.
Thats in the kjv.

wakeup.

Wakeup………Your changing the meanings of who is being spoken about by saying that where it says plasm 8:4 …..What is man, that thou art mindfully of him to mean Jesus instead of mankind in a general sense.

That is corruption of the scriptures , your forcing the text to say what it is not saying , in Psa 8:4 and Hebrews also, It is speaking of Man in a general sense, but your past, indoctrination, into false teachings is preventing you from acknowledging it. IMO

Peace and love………………………gene

November 4, 2013 at 5:42 am#361083

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 04 2013,08:44)

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gene

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any scriptures on this description

Terricca………There is to much involved for me to post it all here, if you like go to ww.bible fragrances. Com /studies/four banners.html

Pierre you will find this very interesting and I believe it to be accurate. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

Gene

I only use scriptures ,and only what scriptures teach,going to those sites is like talking to a religion man with his own opinions and interpretation their of,many seem at first view truthful but wen looked in deeper and for watch they stand for ,things look different ,I have looked in many,many during my years,

So,only scriptures and the spirit of truth ,

November 4, 2013 at 6:53 am#361085

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You say you have scriptures support ,but do not see that ,please post them

November 4, 2013 at 9:55 am#361088

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You say you have scriptures support ,but do not see that ,please post them

Scriptures to support what?

wakeup.

November 4, 2013 at 10:21 am#361089

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 04 2013,11:45)

Wakeup i am not trying to put you down, but am telling you you have brought into many false teaching about Jesus and who he is . IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

Gene b.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth;
***the flesh profiteth nothing***:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

(Satan is not flesh and blood):
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle
***not against flesh and blood***,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

1 Peter 1:24 ***For all flesh is as grass***,
and ***all the glory of man as the flower of grass***.

***The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away***:

wakeup.

November 4, 2013 at 4:18 pm#361101

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Wakeup……Again dodging the Truth of the Scriptures we were talking about by adding scriptures that has nothing to do with what we were talking about. That is so typical of Trinitarians and Preexistence's if you cant get away with forcing the text to say what it in fact is not saying, you simply change subject matter. There is no scripture that says Man is and inferior creation of GOD, but scriptures that show Man is the Crown Jewel of God creation and that there is nothing Higher in the Creation of God than Man. If you truly understood the scriptures we were discussing , you would understand that. Wakeup you must come out of those false teachings you have received from false Christianity. IMO Please don't take what i am saying as a personal put down that is not my intent .

peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene

November 4, 2013 at 4:25 pm#361103

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Terricca………….If you would just go and check it out you can see all the scriptures that go along with what i said, there are many scriptures that do. That is not the only site that show this other do also. I thought you just might be interested in seeing it. I could post the scriptures for you if you want me to, but it would just be easier if you went to the site and checked out the scriptures. I understood this many many years ago before there were any computers or Internets.

Peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene

November 4, 2013 at 4:59 pm#361104

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 05 2013,02:18)

peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene

Gene B.

I am really shocked when I see christians
disregarding the written Word of God.
Something is not right.
Blindness had come to the jews;and now to christians as well. God is always right; for he said THE LAND IS DESOLATE.

wakeup.

November 4, 2013 at 6:13 pm#361107

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Peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene

gene

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Eze 1:5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man,
Eze 1:6 but each of them had four faces and four wings.
Eze 1:7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze.
Eze 1:8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings,
Eze 1:9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.
Eze 1:10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.

did you take notice what it says in those scriptures

what actually troubles me is the fact that they relate the four faces to the 12 tribes of Israel in one creature ,but they are four creatures and each have four faces ,this in any way adds up,right yes

November 7, 2013 at 1:14 am#361367

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I don't believe he had holes in it as I have heard no actual evidence to that effect beyond the translations of heretics of certain vague Koine Greek words.

Think it out, Kerwin.

If there was no hole remaining in Jesus' side, then there was no reason whatsoever for Thomas to say he wouldn't believe UNLESS he could put his hand “into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, OR among” his side.

Nor would there be any reason whatsoever for Jesus to tell Thomas to put his hand “into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, OR among” his side and stop doubting that he had been raised from the dead.

What do you think the purpose was for Thomas and Jesus to mention the side of Jesus? Why his “side” if he was completely healed and there was nothing abnormal about his side?

November 7, 2013 at 1:32 am#361370

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So either Jesus had his mortal body and so had not undergone the final resurrection from the dead or he was had undergone that resurrection and had his new body, designed and made by God.

Or a THIRD option:

Jesus had indeed been raised from the dead as promised, but had not yet received the new, glorious, spiritual body in which he now dwells.

But how can that be?, you ask. Doesn't Paul say the resurrected body is the new glorious body?

First of all, Paul is speaking GENERALLY. Just as scripture tells us that all men, GENERALLY SPEAKING, die and return to dust. But there are exceptions, right? Enoch was an exception to that GENERAL rule, right? So was Elijah. And so was Jesus, whose body never returned to dust, right?

Also, there was a specific REASON for Jesus to display the same body in which he died for 40 days before ascending to heaven. No one else will have that same REASON. Jesus was the EXCEPTION, not the RULE in this case.

And Paul was answering this question: “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”

The people were not asking about the past, and what had already happened to Jesus. They were asking about how it WILL BE in their FUTURE resurrection. So accordingly, Paul tells them how it WILL BE, in the FUTURE resurrection.

At any rate, Jesus had to show the body with the scars and holes. He had to prove that what he and God said would happen did in fact happen. No other of the elect will ever again have to be raised first in the flesh body in which they died before being given their new, glorious, spiritual body.

Jesus was an exception to many rules – this one included.

November 7, 2013 at 5:54 am#361404

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I don't believe he had holes in it as I have heard no actual evidence to that effect beyond the translations of heretics of certain vague Koine Greek words.

Think it out, Kerwin.

What do you think the purpose was for Thomas and Jesus to mention the side of Jesus? Why his “side” if he was completely healed and there was nothing abnormal about his side?

Mike,

There is no evidence that Thomas said anything beyond that he would not believe until he touched Jesus' scars. Touching those marks is certain.

November 7, 2013 at 12:04 pm#361424

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 07 2013,06:14)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,12:50)

I don't believe he had holes in it as I have heard no actual evidence to that effect beyond the translations of heretics of certain vague Koine Greek words.

Think it out, Kerwin.

What do you think the purpose was for Thomas and Jesus to mention the side of Jesus? Why his “side” if he was completely healed and there was nothing abnormal about his side?

Mike,

There is no evidence that Thomas said anything beyond that he would not believe until he touched Jesus' scars. Touching those marks is certain.

Kerwin.

You are good at spinning words.
Keep on doing that and you will get somewhere.
Somewhere in the desert.
Your growth is also stunted,because of your milk
diet.

You have zero knowledge of prophesies.
This you can not deny.

wakeup.

November 8, 2013 at 2:50 am#361466

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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2013,22:54)

Mike,

There is no evidence that Thomas said anything beyond that he would not believe until he touched Jesus' scars. Touching those marks is certain.

So the marks WERE THERE on Jesus' resurrected body?

Isn't that what we were arguing about in the first place?

November 8, 2013 at 2:51 am#361467