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Hi t,
You had to say that to make your dodgy dogma work.
But Mary is his mother and your opinions add nothing
Hi t,
I cannot find surrogate in scripture.
He was conceived and the same word is used for John.
Was the mother of the baptist also a surrogate?
Terrarica,
how many times do I have to tell you I don’t care about all those believes ;I only go as per the scriptures ,nothing else ;
I hear what you say but you actions speak louder and with them you follow the teachings of Trinitarians even though you have changed them. Jesus is not in John 1:1 but the Trinitarians you follow after you want to put him there to support your personal beliefs. You are simply choosing to follow a false tenet that has arisen since the time of the Apostles.
Kerwin
Mike went through this very discussion years ago, and showed the bias translation from the original ,
If i remember correctly it was called the “brown rule “or something like it
but I know that the true spelling must be “a god ” and the rest of the scriptures support that ;for Jesus his called a god ,
Hi,
Jesus never came in the flesh.
He was flesh from the moment of his conception.
Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return.
Terrarica,
I heard Mike’s work but I have not heard yours.
You cannot depend on Mike. You have to depend on God.
Mike centered on the Coptic translation that uses “a” but Coptic translations appeared a few centuries after the fact and have a tendency to be Egyptian.
In addition the Coptic indirect article is not an exact equivalent to the English indirect article.
In English the clause “the word is a god” and “the word is God” are synonymous except for the capital letter.
JW’s, Bible Students, and those of like beliefs find the argument persuasive but to me it is irrelevant since either translation means exactly the same thing.
My position is that of a skeptic in order to point out that you are not testing the Spirit of what you believe and teach. Like may you choose to discard the tools God has provided and that distresses me. We have been taught a lot of things designed to protect the false teaching of those in our culture. For example please find Scripture that supports the idea of sola scriptura. I know a couple that come close but neither supports the extremes that some take it too.
Kerwin
if you want to go and study the old languages you are free to do it ,I did years ago my work to establish the scriptures truth ,
I willingly to share the truth in /with scriptures but to bring you to deep history and languages no you have to do that ,
Hi t,
You miss the key.
Jn 5.39
“you study the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life.
But those scriptures speak about me.”
These is the voice of the Spirit
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even if Mary was a surrogate mother she would conceive the infant ,like it is said in scriptures ;no man can save another for the price is to high for him ,
sad you don’t like the scriptures
Hi Pierre,
If Mary was only a surrogate mother then Scripture wouldn’t say that Christ was from the seed of David. (see Rom 1:3)
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God bless
Ed JN
you really think and make up your own theory of others ,i do not judge you as a person but to what you say and told what you say is from scriptures and in reality it is not
it is because of those untruths that i challenge you but you cowardly do not prove your belief with the whole of the scriptures for you break some and not explain why you break them
for if you are a man of God you should able yourself to defend the true faith in Christ ,
Hi t,
There is no need to prove anything to anybody.
Least of all one who has such a high opinion of himself.
Terrarica,
Ed made a good point and you did not address it yet.
Ad Ed said if Mary was a surrogate mother then Scripture would not say Jesus was made from the Seed of David, as of the flesh. Mary is the seed he was made from.
Terrarica,
I have looked into the old languages and in doing so I can see that much is open to interpretation and this can and is misused. I believe God used the vagueness of languages to teach multiple things with the same words but that the evil one uses the same words to teach corrupt messages.
God did in fact set a stone in Zion and it is what we call Scripture. Later he also put Jesus there. Both are of a type. You do not seem to know that as you do not realize the word became Jesus.
Terrarica,
Ed made a good point and you did not address it yet.
Ad Ed said if Mary was a surrogate mother then Scripture would not say Jesus was made from the Seed of David, as of the flesh. Mary is the seed he was made from.
Hi Kerwin,
I have listed Rom 1:3 in the verses that Pierre doesn’t believe thread. (I have listed “7” points so far)
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God bless
Ed J
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