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HI KW,
We do not know what the body will be like
You should not presume to know what I believe.Who said the witnesses were men?
Scripture makes no such statementThere will be a resurrection of the dead, now in new bodies taken up also from earth
Nick,
My point is there is plenty of evidence the body will look like the body will presently have and will be flesh and bone even though it is not literally stated.
Revelation 11:8-12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
1) It is clear that the dead bodies of the two witnesses laid in the street.
2) It is those same dead bodies that the Spirit of life enter and gave life to.
3) It is those now living bodies that stood on their feet.
4) It is those now living bodies that Jesus called to ascend up into heaven in a cloud.Like with Jesus the composition of their bodies revealed no evidence it changed when it was resurrected. Any change that took place was not observable. You can claim that they changed after they ascended to heaven just like some claim about Jesus but there is no support for that teaching in Scripture.
The only change I know that that is supported in Scripture is that creation will be liberated from corruption. The rest is speculation.
Nick……Is Jesus a witness? Is he Comming back as a son of man? According to him he is, Will he sit on the throne of his father David?, did the the angel say he would return the same way he went up into heaven,?, is there one scripture that say Jesus lost his body he was raised with? No, not even one, just your suppositions that you present, trying to turn what Paul said to meet your personal renditions Nick.
I have shown you word for word what Paul said, ask you to tell us what does the word PAUL used, THE “IT” relates to, again you refused to answer the question, because it completely proves your are wrong. I showed you about scriptures showing that it is the resurection of our “MORTAL” BODIES SCRIPTURE IS SPEAKING ABOUT, BUT YOU STILL DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE it, not even understanding that there would be absolutely no need of any, KIND of a resurection of the dead at all, if it was not for our “DEAD” BODIES being raised back to life. That is if what you believe is true. I have presented scripture where God himself said how he would raise the dead BODIES Of the whole house of Israel, again of no avail, I HAVE SHOWN YOU WHERE GOD HIMSELF SAID ADAM AND EVE COULD HAVE LIVE JUST THE WAY THEY WERE FOREVER had they not sinned and eaten of the tree of life, you still do not admit it. Bottom line is you only want to understand scriptures from your own personal view , then you falsely accuse me of cursing you which is a lie, I have not cursed anyone here ever, to my knowledge anyway.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi GB,
So he too has to cut his 2000 year old toenails?You surmise that because Adam and Eve need not to have died the old body must become everlasting.
If you are so limited in your evidence why are you so stubborn in rejecting Paul’s words?But then you add to scripture demonstrating your lack of respect for it-INTELLECT=Spirit
Hi KW,
So scripture does not say they are men.
But you do?If they are not then your ideas have no merit
Hi KW,
You say
” the rest is speculation”
Yet you say you know what the bodies of the raised will be like?You speculate?
Nick,
Hi KW,
You say
” the rest is speculation”
Yet you say you know what the bodies of the raised will be like?You speculate?
I demonstrated I did not speculate by pointing out that the two witnesses rose up in a body that was indistinguishable from their mortal body. It not only was indistinguishable but Scripture testifies it was the same bodies. That means that visually was no change and we know the same is true when Jesus raised from the dead. Jesus testified thee body that rose from his grave is flesh and bone so we know that as well. The only change I know is not a change in composition but a change in creation going from being a captive of corruption to being freed of corruption. That change would not be visible.
I am using observations and claims made by Scripture to reach this conclusion. I do not see any speculations on my part.
Nick,
Hi KW,
So scripture does not say they are men.
But you do?If they are not then your ideas have no merit
I have not looked to see whether or not Scripture testifies they are men but considering they died I do not see them being angels or for that matter neither of which will die unless they are tossed into Gehenna. Neither beasts or thee soulless qualify.
Hi KW,
God can give a body as he chooses.[1cor 15]
but you would presume He would give us back the old seed planted in death?Nick,
Hi KW,
God can give a body as he chooses.[1cor 15]
but you would presume He would give us back the old seed planted in death?I am just by what is written. There is nothing in Scripture that speaks of a change in the composition of the body when it changes the only change I know that is spoken of is that creation changes from being chained to corruption to being free from corruption.
Look at this passage. It clearly states all flesh will worship God at a time after judgement day. There must be flesh in order for it to worship before the Lord.
Isaiah 66:23-24Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Nick,
Logic does not rule scripture
God is not irrational and therefore what he says is full of reason.
Kerwin…….You have it right , the only one doing the speculating is Nick, not you, you as well as I have produced direct scriptures after scripture, dealing with what we are sying, they on the other have not produced a single scrupture that says there was a change after the resection of those raised from the grave, and you are right where it says “all” “flesh”, shall come and worship God. Together the scriptures you and I have produce is probably, over ten or twenty or more , while Nick or no one else has not even produced a single scripture showing a change from a flesh body to a so-called, “spirit body” of any kind. WE KNOW the word “SPIRITUAL” BODY, DOES NOT IMPLY A “SPIRIT BODY” OF ANY KIND. BUT A PHYSICAL BODY THAT IS SPIRITUALLY SUSTAINED.
They are not even able to deduce that God loves his creation just as it was, as he himself said it was good, and scriptures say clearly the creation (physical creation) will be delivered from its BONDAGE of corruption. The only change taking place is from corruption to incorruption, that applies to our bodies also. What do they think, everything is going to turn to spirits of some kind, they actually believe God created everything to be destroyed it appears. They do not realize the only thing that brought death is SIN, nothing else did. God the Father want us to all become as he originally created us, and live forever that way. They don’t even understand “ALL” SPIRITS DESIRES FLESH BODIES TO LIVE IN, EVEN GOD HIMSELF WANT TO LIVE IN US, and cohabbit “IN” our bodies, or haven’t they read this, “FOR THE SPIRIT EARNEST DESIRES US,” and KNOW YOU NOT YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD, WHY, BECAUSE OUR FLESH BODIES FURNISH THE SPIRITS A HOME TO LIVE IN, JUST AS THESE BODIES PRODUCE OUR SPIRITS A HOME TO LIVE IN.
They believe we will just be like wind and blow around everywhere not INVOLVED with anything physical, just go through empty space a look at giant baron stars and wonder through endless galaxies drifting endlessly through space. Because the ignorantly think, that was God’s original intention, when he created man and all the rest of his glorious physical creation.
These people haven’t a clue of the importance of God’s physical flesh creation means to him, nor how much God absolutely loves it, and us, just as he created it and us. It was not the creation of flesh that caused the problem, it was “SIN” , BUT GOD THE FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CREATION SO MUCH, MADE A WAY TO DELIEVER HIS WHOLE PHYSICAL CREATION FROM THE DESTRUCTION OF SIN. He is not going to abolish his creation, for the sake of a handful of dreamers. Imo
Your have it right, stay with what God has shown you brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Nick,
Hi KW,
So you grasp at hints that the body is not to be changed despite scriptural teachingAre you claiming that no flesh will worship God when his people go and look on the carcases of those that have rebelled against him?
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