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BELIEVING DOES NOT BRING YOU RIGHTEOUSNESS…
Romans 1:17New International Version (NIV)
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[a] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
So we are told that believing does in deed bring the righteousness that is in the gospel. On the other hand the righteousness of the old testament was different or there would not need to be a gospel to preach of this new righteousness.
LIVING THE TRUTH DOES
Yes, but without faith a person cannot live the truth. Those in OT strove at living the truth but failed and for this reason the law speaks to those under the law to say no one is righteous.
Nick,
Thus we come full circle as it is by faith a believe both receives as lives by the Spirit. The actions of those who live by the Spirit is the fruit of the Spirit.
Hi KW,
And by the grace of a measure of faith God chooses his children.
They can become children of God if they submit and obeyNick,
And by the grace of a measure of faith God chooses his children.
They can become children of God if they submit and obeyMy memory is not perfect but I think faith comes from God. If that is correct then what you say seems true to my ears.
Nick,
Jesus, the son of Mary, became the anointed one, the Son of God, at the Jordan
That is not what is written.
I remember John was given a the sign of the Spirit coming on Jesus as a dove. God also acknowledge that Jesus was his Son and that he was well pleased with him much like a human father will when his son does something wonderful in public.
Nick,
I will agree the Spirit alighted on Jesus like a dove and that God acknowledge him. I do not agree with what you wrote earlier.
Nick,
Scripture does not say.
Jesus, the son of Mary, became the anointed one, the Son of God, at the Jordan
It does say.
Yes the Spirit came on him.
God then acknowledged him as His SonHi KW,
Is Jesus the son of Mary?
Was he anointed at the Jordan with the Holy Spirit?
Did God then proclaim he was His son?
Nick,
Jesus is the son of Mary as of the flesh.
Scripture does not say that he was anointed at the Jordon with the Holy Spirit.
All we are told is the sign of the Holy Spirit that descended as a dove and landed upon Jesus. We are also told that John baptizes in water and that Jesus was baptized by him. It requires the application of logic or a direct revelation from God to go anywhere from there.Hi KW,
So when Lk 3 22 says the Holy Ghost descended in bodily form like a dove on him scripture is wrong and you are right??
hi
i have a question for you ;why did the holy spirit came above jesus in the form of a dove and at the pentecost in the form of flames ?
Hi T,
And why was there no such manifestations when the Spirit was given by the apostles?
God is in charge and knows when men need a sign to believe.
Nick,
So when Lk 3 22 says the Holy Ghost descended in bodily form like a dove on him scripture is wrong and you are right??
It means exactly what it states and that being that Jesus was immersed in water by John and then John saw the Spirit descend our of heaven like a dove and land on him.
Nick,
It does not say when but it sounds like Peter was speaking the Holy Spirit in its role of gift giver. That would be more like Cornelius and his household receiving the gift of tongues.
Jesus did use his the gift of miracles after he was immersed but I do not think Scripture tells us when he first received the gifts.
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