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Hi t8,
Okay this is what makes sense to me, as I get what your point is, in the fact we are told there were giants and it would be silly nilly just to ignore the fact that the passages mentions giants.
The offspring are said to be humans, so naturally I am going to believe that their parents were also humans. The fact that they are giant humans, won’t steer me away to believe that one of the parents was not a human. Strong mighty men in history have been believed to be gods, with their mother having been impregnated by a god. I don’t believe it. Conjoined twins born in an underdeveloped country also have had superstitions connected to their birth, mother was impregnated by a demon. I also don’t believe it.
The question I think that should be asked is why did God, who has brought forth many variations to mankind, cause their offspring to be giants?
Why does God do anything? Why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart? If God sets up kings and kingdoms and also brings them to their fall as God says He does, why does a wicked kingdom get to rule longer than one that is far less wicked, or why does God let a wicked kingdom destroy one that is far less wicked? There are a million questions we could ask WHY to, one thing we do know is that God does things to make His powers known, He does things to bring us to believe in Him, He does things to show us that mankind is weak and ignorant and He is the source to all that is good.
As I said earlier, we have examples of God not wanting Israelites to marry heathens as it would corrupt them. The union in Genesis 6 corrupted the Sons of God, and if their offspring as giants were likewise corrupt, one could see with their might and dominant power how the whole earth could become corrupt, possibly even rapidly. The most important factor about Genesis 6, giants or no giants is that man’s own imagination, the thoughts of his heart gets him into very big trouble.
Hi Anthony,
YOU:
Hi Jodi
Some here believe that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, did not or could not exist prior to His incarnation. There were other sons of God in creation in fact, existing before the physical creation. Yet we are expected by some to believe that Jesus Christ, “the Son of God” did not exist prior to His incarnation or prior to His birth from Mary. It is clear from Scripture that the Sons of God are not human. Nor Angel.
“Where were you WHEN I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding.
WHEN the morning stars sang together, and [when] all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job38:4, 7
Men wasn’t in heaven with the morning stars, (Angle) then. My question to you is this. Now if the sons of God and Angel was in heaven at this time, why say the sons of God, if they are Angel’s?
God blessME: I am sorry I am not really following you here, at least I am unsure.
First of all, I guess I would have to say that I believe that Jesus did exist prior to his incarnation, if I take the word incarnation to equate to him being born of the Spirit, as I believe he was born of the Spirit at the river. Second, the fact that before the creation of earth, God made Sons of God that are not humans, doesn’t change the fact that Jesus is the Son of God the perfect man, and those in faith are promised also to be perfected and be Sons of God. In the passage you gave from Job, I understand the Sons of God to be God’s angels, His messengers. I tend to read it as the angels are both called morning stars and Sons of God, some sang but they all shouted for joy. Jesus is called a Son of God and he is called a morning star, a human called BOTH. God’s celestial messengers in Job also called both.
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations
Gen 6:9 (KJV)No alien DNA in Nohah’s lineage
Jodi.
Why don’t you just simply say that you do not know why the offspring are giants?
It’s so much easier than reading a bunch of longer posts and then derive what I think you are saying.
There is no shame in saying “I don’t know”. And it saves lots of time and we can move on to the next point quicker.
Hi Jodi
It seems to me Jodi that Angel’s can never be called Sons of God. Because Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?And again,
“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?See: King James Version citing Psalm 2:7, 2 Samuel 7:14, and 1 Chronicles 17:13.
The author of the book of Hebrews poses two rhetorical questions stated differently but both with the same answer. The answer to both questions is: no angel can ever be considered or called a “Son.” what do you think Jodi? Just looking for feed back All. Going to watch the video Chuck Missler The Days Of Noah & Return Of The Nephilim HD,
God bless
Hi t8,
I am not going to apologize for explaining my reasons to my answers that I give.
I am sorry however, that my answer didn’t seem clear.
You asked WHY are the offspring giants?.. I said, because God made them that way, God has made mankind giving them a wide range of different kinds of variations. Do you just want to deny that simple fact pertaining to God’s creation of man t8? Do you likewise deny the fact that these giants are actual humans as the scripture says? Do you want to deny the reason as to why the are said to be wicked, from their own imaginations? Do you deny that according to God’s creation He made different creatures to reproduce after their own kind?
The offspring are giants because God made them to be giants, just like He makes other people to be black or white, smart or dumb, big boned or small boned, and the list could go on and on.
Now why God made them to be giants is another question.
Hi Anthony,
I could see as to how you would reach that conclusion if you indeed believe that in Hebrews 1 the word for angels, aggelos meaning messenger, is speaking not of people like Paul and John who were called aggelos, but you think that it is speaking of celestial aggelos.
Because I believe Hebrews 1 is speaking of human messengers it doesn’t conflict.
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
When Jesus returns to earth the saints are raised from the dead, he is their lord, their king who they give reverence to and serve, being sent out to help destroy the wickedness upon the earth.
Joel 2:1 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand— 2 a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes, such as never was in ancient times nor ever will be in ages to come. 3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes. Before them the land is like the garden of Eden, behind them, a desert waste— nothing escapes them. 4 They have the appearance of horses; they gallop along like cavalry. 5 With a noise like that of chariots they leap over the mountaintops, like a crackling fire consuming stubble, like a mighty army drawn up for battle. 6 At the sight of them, nations are in anguish; every face turns pale. 7 They charge like warriors; they scale walls like soldiers. They all march in line, not swerving from their course. 8 They do not jostle each other; each marches straight ahead. They plunge through defenses without breaking ranks. 9 They rush upon the city; they run along the wall. They climb into the houses; like thieves they enter through the windows. 10 Before them the earth shakes, the heavens tremble, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine. 11 The LORD thunders at the head of his army; his forces are beyond number, and mighty is the army that obeys his command. The day of the LORD is great; it is dreadful. Who can endure it?
Hi Jodi
You said: ME: I am sorry I am not really following you here, at least I am unsure.
Me: My point is simple, why would scripture in the same verse use two different phrases for Angel’s?
“Where were you WHEN I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding.
WHEN the morning stars sang together, and [when] all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:4, 7As I take it you think that the difference was because some Angel’s were singing and some Angel’s were shouting, do I have that right?
Me: I would assume that they are not both Angel’s.
I’m looking for feed back.
And would you think that these sons of God’s and the sons of God in Gen.6 are the same?
Me: I do. We could say, the sons of Elohim, because that’s what god means in these verses, in the plural. And we could also say that the Nephilim are the sons of god offspring, which would be human but a hybrid of some kind. If the sons of God are Angel’s. ? Wouldn’t you think?
Looking for feed back.
God bless 🙏
Hi Jodi 👋
You would think if we search out what are Elohim, we could possibly come closer to who these sons of God (Elohim) are. YHWH is an Elohim. This is clear from Psalm 95:3, 7. For the Lord is a great God to And a great King above all gods, Pagan gods are Elohim as is shown in Deuteronomy 6:14. You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you, Angels are Elohim by comparing Psalm 8:4–5 and Hebrews 2:9 (a direct citation of Psalm 8:4–5). What is man that You take thought of him,And the son of man that You care for him?5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God,And You crown him with glory and majest Heb. 2:9 . But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Cherubim are Elohim according to Ezekiel 28:14. “You were the anointed cherubim who cover And I placed you there on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. Sons of God are Elohim, according to Genesis6:2 Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7; and Psalms 29:1, as well as Psalms 82:1, 6, and 89:5–8. 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
Jesus Christ as the Son of God is definitely and Elohim.
Psalm 8:4–5 and Hebrews 2:9 . The Hebrew in Psalm says God and some how it got changed in Hebrews 2:9 to Angel’s. How the Greek LXX translated it is Angel’s in Psalm 8
Angel’s are Elohim but never sons of God.
So who are the sons of God? could it be another spiritual being , god’s over the Nation? Not Angels not man, some different type of spiritual being. What do you think?
God bless 🙏 looking for feed back. Thanks
Anthony……the word God, or Elohiym, does not describe any “person”. It describes a “RELATIONSHIP”, with anything, a idol of stone or clay or any “imaginary” or real object, WHATEVER YOU WORSHIP AS A DEITY.
Thats why it says in the Shama, “the LORD OR YEHWEH “, our God, is “ONE” LORD OR YEHWEH.
If you study that, you will see, God , is a “relationship”, and that relationship can apply to anything in heaven above or earth or beneath the earth. But all true believers have only one who is a true God, and that is “YEHWEH”, they relate with as the, POWER THEY TRUST AND LEAN ON, for support.
So you can see anything can be a God to anyone. But we are told we (true believers) that is, ” you shall have no other God besides me, (YEHWEH). You shall make no image of me , in heaven or earth or beneath the earth. Is that not what the First Commandment says? So how many here worship Jesus as a DEITY OR A GOD? would be the question.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Anthony,
Seems like we might have had a similar bible study today! I read through all OT passages referencing gods (elohiym).
I have the mechanical translation of Genesis, and it translates the passages where we see LORD God, to YHWH (He Exists) of elohiym (Powers). This was pretty much on par with how I interpreted it before I read this translation.
Might help if I just gave the the gist of what I believe is going on, what I have concluded to thus far from the scriptures.
I believe that there is One True God who alone exists with powers named YHWH.
YHWH and His powers created heaven and earth.
Prior to creating heaven and earth, God brought forth the perfecting of other creatures, celestial beings, where they would serve as God’s messengers to carry out YHWH’s will on earth. They are Sons of God as they follow God’s will.
I don’t believe that there exists creatures who have supernatural powers that are not faithful to and do not obey YHWH.
A false god (elohiym) is a god who people believe have powers but they actually don’t have powers, they are just inventions of man who man creates images of that are made of gold, silver, bronze, etc.. These false gods that man invented are feared and worshiped, and they have hierarchies, where there are higher gods and lower gods, some of them bring blessings and some bring cursing, death, disease, drought, famine, pestilence, floods, etc…regardless of if they brought blessing or cursing the lower level deites were known as daemons, some believed they were the spirits of dead people. All of it however was and is just absolutely FAKE. God said they have NO power, they aren’t real, they cannot walk or talk, nor do any good or do any evil.
When YHWH gives His powers to man, like that of Moses, or Jesus they are known as gods (elohiym). God’s celestial messengers with YHWH’s powers thus could be called gods as well.
I am sure I am leaving somethings out but just want to make it short.
Now I will look at your two posts again and respond.
Hi Anthony,
When it comes to the morning stars singing together and all the Sons of God shouting for Joy, they could be different creatures, but I still think they are all Sons of God, who had been perfected before our heaven and earth was made.
I do not think that the Sons of God in Job, are the same Sons of God in Genesis, as I think the passages are talking about two different kinds of creatures, one non human that has been perfected in Job, and in Genesis the other is human.
Psalms 81:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
This passage connects better to Genesis 6 than that of Job I believe. As scripture says, it is YHWH that sets up kingdoms and He brings down kingdoms. These Sons of God have ruling powers through what YHWH has given them. In the above passage we read that the rulers (gods) (sons of God) were greedy oppressors, who were not taking care of the poor, fatherless and needy, and so God would bring their destruction.
Deuteronomy 10: 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Psalms 95: 3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods. 4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.
Makes no sense to me whatsoever that the Sons of God could be anything but humans.
Their offspring were humans
The entire passage is about humans multiplying and humans being destroyed
The problem is man’s own imagination the thoughts of his own heart
God is not happy with mankind and destroys all but 8 of them.
Not to mention these simple facts, I have too many questions if I try and reason that they were not humans, and nothing at all adds up to me.
Hi Jodi
You said:Not to mention these simple facts, I have too many questions if I try and reason that they were not humans, and nothing at all adds up to me.
Me: I hear that. When I first started out years ago I thought that the sons of God was Angels as I went along I decided that believing that the sons of God we’re Angels that it created to much confusing specially with younger Christian. So I changed to that they were men from Cains seed, which seemed to make more sense then Angels, Now they are even believing that the sons of God are space men of some kind. I started to read the book of Enoch last night for the first time, I really don’t know what to think about it. It names the Angles how many ect. ect.. I really have my hands full with just the Bible. I really don’t know if it’s even worth reading. Any ways have a nice day.
You said: I have the mechanical translation of Genesis
Me: what is a mechanical translation of Genesis?
God bless 🙏
Hi Anthony,
The Hebrew text of the book of Genesis where each Hebrew word, prefix and suffix is literally and consistently translated word.
ISBN: 9781602640337 Publisher: Virtual Bookworm Pages: 452 While the original Biblical text was written from an Ancient Hebraic perspective, all modern translations of the Bible are written from our modern western perspective. This traditional approach to translation does allow for ease in reading but it erases the original Hebraic style and meaning of the text. In addition, translations take many liberties by removing, changing or adding words from the text in order to “fix” the text for the English reader. The Mechanical Translation is a new and unique style of translation that will reveal the Hebrew behind the English by translating the text very literally and faithfully to the original Hebrew text. A great tool for those interested in studying the Bible who have no Hebrew background as well as for those who are learning to read the Bible in its original Hebrew language.
Book Features
- An introduction to the Hebrew language and grammar.
- The Hebrew text from the Biblia Hebraica Leningradensia.
- A literal word for word translation of the Hebrew text.
- A revised translation for understandability in English.
- A dictionary of words defined from an Hebraic perspective.
- A concordance of all words found in the book of Genesis.
Hi Jodi
That sound like a nice book for studies, I’m going to look on Amazon for it. I just got The Englishman’s Greek Concordance of the N.T. &O.T. coded with Strong’s Concordance Numbers by George V. Wigram and a new Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible, literal, word by word translation.
Well thanks for the Information.
There’s Giants in the land.
Get your sling, fine tuned.
God bless 🙏
Jodi…..Jeff Benner, does and excellent job, i have read some of his work, very good choice for anyone interested in how the ancient Hebrews, understood things, I have use it to try to get the word, “GOD,” more understandable in light of the Hebrew mindset. He does an outstanding job. Very few people know that ancient Hebrew was a pictorial language, like the Ancient Egyptians.
Anothny, I believe you will really like it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
I am not going to apologize for explaining my reasons to my answers that I give.
Jodi. It’s up to you to post long posts and expect people have enough hours each day to critique them. So long as you understand that the only person who reads them is probably Gene.
As for me, I may read the first one or two paragraphs and possibly reply to that. Remember that critiquing and correcting usually takes a longer explanation than the statement it is addressing. I see you have some shorter post recently here, so I may read them when I visit next. For now, I have some errands to run.
I do prefer people who can answer yes or no because they have nothing to hide in my view. I am suspicious of people who cannot be that transparent. A similar suspicion that I have for long legal binding contracts and Facebook’s terms and conditions as examples.
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