WAS jESUS RESURRECTED IN THE FLESH,

[2besee]

Kerwin and Gene,

“When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.” 2 Thess 1:8

“As the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.” Matthew 24:27

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,19:42)

Kerwin and Gene, “When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.” 2 Thess 1:8 “As the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.” Matthew 24:27

2Besee.

Thats a good one.

John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear *WHAT WE SHALL BE*: but we know that, when he shall appear, *WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM*; for we shall see him *AS HE IS*.

NOT FLESH,BUT SEE HIM AS HE IS. JOHN SAW JESUS; BUT NOT AS HE REALLY IS.

He is clothed with the sun.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 20 2013,16:02)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,19:42) Kerwin and Gene, “When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.” 2 Thess 1:8 “As the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.” Matthew 24:27 2Besee. Thats a good one. John 3:2   Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear *WHAT WE SHALL BE*: but we know that, when he shall appear, *WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM*; for we shall see him *AS HE IS*. NOT FLESH,BUT SEE HIM AS HE IS. JOHN SAW JESUS; BUT NOT AS HE REALLY IS. He is clothed with the sun. wakeup.

wup

2Jn 1:1 The elder,

To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

2Jn 1:3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

3Jn 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us.
3Jn 1:10 So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.
3Jn 1:11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.

this is the same John that has written the gospel of John ,but later in time, the first verses shows that there are two classes ,but if you will see Christ as he really his then you are claiming that you are part of the ones that are REDEEMED OF THE EARTH ,because unless you are one of those none of us believers will or could see Christ as he really is in heaven ,

I would not be jealous that you have receive this joy from Christ ,because I am happy with what God give me no matter what and were I would be ,I know God would make me Happy ,

[kerwin]

T,

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K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father ,

Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not.

We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation.

We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh.

Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students.

There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.  

The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh.

[mikeboll64]

2B and Wakeup:

Good points on your last posts! Good use of SCRIPTURE to prove your points – as it should be done.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,05:36)

T, Quote K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father , Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation. We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh. Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students. There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.   The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh.

Kerwin.

I am not being difficult here.

Do you really believe that Christ will come in the flesh and his angels are coming in spirit?

Was he not made higher than the angels?
Is the flesh not lower than the angels?

We will not be resurrected in the flesh;we will be made as the angels.

God is a spirit;his children will be spirit.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Hi all,

Those verses of 2 Thes and Matt 24:

2 Thes shows us that Jesus and the mighty Angels will come in flaming fire but, it does not necessarily mean that Jesus himself will be flaming fire as it is obvious from scriptures that even the flesh can survive flaming fire when it is given God's protection such as the three men who survived the fire in Daniel. (Please read Daniel Chapter 3).

In Matthew 24 where it says that Jesus' return will be as the lightning shines from the east to the west, this once again is talking about how his arrival will be.

I believe that the following verse is prophetic for the coming Day of the Lord and the return of Jesus:

Mal.4

[1] “For behold, the day comes, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.

[2] But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall.
[3] And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts.

[2besee]

This is a lot deeper as it is from the book of Revelations, so needs to be slowly read. but:

Rev 19:17
Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.”

Matt 24:26-28
So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.
For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. “

Compare the words in both Revelations and Matthew 'Eagels/Birds' and 'Gather/Gathered' and see how Jesus' coming in Matthew is shining from the east to the west as lightning does (quick and bright) and how in Rev an Angel is seen standing in the sun.

I believe that the coming of Jesus will be quick and bright and there will be no need to wonder if it is the day of the Lord/return of Jesus or if it is not. It will be obvious.

[2besee]

And also the words of the Lord: “where the body is” and “flesh”

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,00:36)

T, Quote K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father , Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation. We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh. Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students. There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.   The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh.

K

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Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts. You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not.

you try to make me believe that Mary was fertilized by another man and that is false ,scriptures says she was covered by the holy spirit ,but the holy spirit is the action tool of God ,it is not God but “of”God ,AND SO YOU TRY TO MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT GOD SUPPLIED THE OTHER MALE PARTS ,???no

THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS SET IN THE BEGINNING ,YOU BRING CHANGES AGAINST GOD'S OWN CREATED THING AND LAWS,

ALSO CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD ,AND DESCENDED FROM DAVID THROUGH HIS MOTHER AND STEP FATHER ANCESTRAL,

BUT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGIN OF GOD'S SON

[2besee]

… and every eye will definitely see. some, though, will see through their spirit eyes and welcome, rather than fear the coming of the son of man.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,05:36)

T, Quote K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father , Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation. We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh. Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students. There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.   The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh.

Kerwin……….You have this right brother.

Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..Paul said

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..Paul said ” for we hope for the “resurrection ” that will witness the redemption of “our” “BODIES” .

And again….” if the spirit of him that raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwell in you “he or “it” shall “ALSO QUICKEN ” you “MORTAL (dead) BODIES”.

Question is it a dead spirit that is going to be raised or a dead “body”.? The spirit doesn't die it goes back to who gave it in the first place, so that elimates the spirit that is being raised and only leaves what remains, the “BODY”

Peace and love to you all……………gene

[2besee]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 21 2013,14:28)

To All………..Paul said ” for we hope for the “resurrection ” that will witness the redemption of “our” “BODIES” . And again….” if the spirit of him that raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwell in you “he or “it” shall “ALSO QUICKEN ” you “MORTAL (dead) BODIES”. Question is it a dead spirit that is going to be raised or a dead “body”.? The spirit doesn't die it goes back to who gave it in the first place,  so that elimates the spirit that is being raised and only leaves what remains, the “BODY” Peace and love to you all……………gene

Yes gene Amen.
So we believe in the flesh – but what about the return?
Do you believe that Jesus will (be seen to) return in flaming fire?

We agree on the 'rising in the flesh'.
But what are we looking for (at the return of Jesus)?

[david]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2013,12:35)

Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,16:51) I can't believe you are having this discussion without me. Which discussion, David?  The one about whether or not Jesus is the only flesh being in heaven? Or the one about angels “materializing” bodies at will?

No. Neither of those. I thought this read started out discussing this:

“Some believe that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh.
This boggles my mind.”–WAKEUP

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,04:34)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,00:36) T, Quote K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father , Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation. We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh. Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students. There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.   The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh. K Quote Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. you try to make me believe that Mary was fertilized by another man and that is false ,scriptures says she was covered by the holy spirit ,but the holy spirit is the action tool of God ,it is not God but “of”God ,AND SO YOU TRY TO MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT GOD SUPPLIED THE OTHER  MALE PARTS ,???no THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS SET IN THE BEGINNING ,YOU BRING CHANGES AGAINST GOD'S OWN CREATED THING AND LAWS, ALSO CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD ,AND DESCENDED FROM DAVID THROUGH HIS MOTHER AND STEP FATHER ANCESTRAL, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGIN OF GOD'S SON

T,

Luke 1:36
King James Version (KJV)

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

The words are “also conceived” Jesus and John the Baptist were conceived of their respective mothers. Neither are said to be implanted embryos.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,02:31)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,05:36) T, Quote K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father , Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation. We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh. Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students. There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.   The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh. Kerwin. I am not being difficult here. Do you really believe that Christ will come in the flesh and his angels are coming in spirit? Was he not made higher than the angels? Is the flesh not lower than the angels? We will not be resurrected in the flesh;we will be made as the angels. God is a spirit;his children will be spirit. wakeup.

Wakeup,

I do not believe are immaterial beings. They are able to touch and be touched and they are able to eat food. They have miraculous powers and their bodies are not of this world.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,12:37)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,04:34) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2013,00:36) T, Quote K Good,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother, A surrogate mother to the son of God, Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father , Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. We agree that Jesus' flesh comes from Mary.  That agreement seems enough for the continuation of this conversation. We agree that Jesus is the Son of David and therefore the son of Adam; who is the father of humanity, as of the flesh. Jesus declares he, himself is flesh and bone, even after he was resurected and appeared in the midst of his students. There is nothing written that he ever became anything else.  Still we can stick to the agreed upon fact that he was seen as flesh and bone until he went in the clouds.   The angels told the Eleven he would come from the clouds in the same manner he went, and he went as flesh and bone. Connect that to the fact that Jesus comes as the Son of man, who he is in the flesh, then the evidense seems overwhealming that he comes in the flesh. K Quote Accordin to Scripture Jesus, like John the Baptist, was conceived in his mother's inner parts.  You claim that allows for suragacy, while I do not. you try to make me believe that Mary was fertilized by another man and that is false ,scriptures says she was covered by the holy spirit ,but the holy spirit is the action tool of God ,it is not God but “of”God ,AND SO YOU TRY TO MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT GOD SUPPLIED THE OTHER  MALE PARTS ,???no THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD AS SET IN THE BEGINNING ,YOU BRING CHANGES AGAINST GOD'S OWN CREATED THING AND LAWS, ALSO CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD ,AND DESCENDED FROM DAVID THROUGH HIS MOTHER AND STEP FATHER ANCESTRAL, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGIN OF GOD'S SON T, Luke 1:36 King James Version (KJV) 36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. The words are “also conceived”  Jesus and John the Baptist were conceived of their respective mothers.  Neither are said to be implanted embryos.

K

In history, they did not know that the first born in twins his the youngest ,this is now days findings

In those days no one knew
If Mary has received the ambrio who would know

The fact that you reject it is because you still believe that Christ his a dream in the spirit ,that came to be fulfilled in the man called Jesus,
But you can not explain why he did not had a human father,
Or why did God breaks his own law : like no man can save another or pay the ransom to redeem another ,

So you fabricate a logic in your mind that could help you to accept that mystery ,but there really is no mystery,

[Marlin1]

Sorry, don't know how I typed that, it didn't make any since to me either.

Question? Who will see the Jesus come in the Clouds?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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