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EDJ….You are also wrong about the spirit of the CHRISTO’S BEING Jesus born with spirit, THE SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING WAS ADDED TO HIM FROM ABOVE BY GOD THE FATHER, AT HIS Baptism in the JORDAN RIVER BY JOHN. Just as scripture shows. THE spirit of the “christo’s, is the holy spirit of God, that came into the flesh man JESUS, AT THAT TIME HE BECAME THE CHRISTO’S OF GOD, OR THE MESSIAH OR THE ANOINTED ONE OF GOD.
NICK is right about this. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Ed,
Hi Kerwin,
OK I’ll bite, why?
The only possibility I can think of it constructive criticism and to make an example how not to act.
Here is an example:
Matthew 12:34Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Gene,
You are addressing t8’s understanding not Ed’s.
I think Ed believes the Spirit of Christ is Jesus and it incarnated in the flesh.
I actually agree with t8 more than with either you or Nick because the only way that Scripture teaches us anyone can be tempted as we are but without sin is to walk according to the Spirit.
KERWIN… JESUS IS THE CHRISTO’S , BECAUSE OF THE ANOINTING, WHICH “IS” THE SPIRIT OF God, not the spirit Jesus was not born with, it came to be “in” us, as it also did the “man” Jesus. Remember what it says,
Rom 8:11.. ” now if the spirit “of him that raised up JESUS from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up (the anounted on) or christ from the dead shall also (the same way) quicken you mortal “bodies” by his spurit that dwells “in” you”.
Same spirit, same quickening, same resurection, by the same GOD, BY THAT SAME SPIRIT DOING IT ALL. KERWIN this should be easy for you to understand brother. Even if T8 and EDj can’t. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
I think Ed believes the Spirit of Christ is Jesus and it incarnated in the flesh.
Hi Kerwin,
Ed believes the Spirit of Christ(1) incarnated in the flesh at Bethlehem(2) and is Jesus(3)
And that is because the verses (1)1Peter 1:11, (2)Micah 5:2, and (3)Luke 2:11 make this undeniably clear.
Hi KW,
Your obsession with sin resurfaces.
But 1 Jn 1 makes it plain that those in Christ can still sin.
kerwin…..My point is that the man JESUS has his owns pirit as we do and that spirit is not the anointing spirit of GOD, AND Jesus was not born with it, he obtained it later when he was baptized at the Jordan river, That is when he became the christo’s or anointed one of God. I EVEN QUOTED SCRIPTURE SHOWING THAT THE SAME THING MUST HAPPEN “IN” US AS IT DID JESUS.
You can easely see where T8 and Edj, believeand teach JESUS WAS BORN “with” THE CHRISTO’S AT BERTH, BUT SCRIPTURE DOES NOT SAY THAT, they say that because they believe Jesus prexisted and was morphed into a flesh body, from another existence, WHICH IS NOT TRUE, IMO.
They preach a doctrine that completely disconnects Jesus’ human idenity with his human brothers and sisters, by making him different at berth from the rest of humanity.
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Nick,
Peter taught us that sine Scriptures are hard and even with that warning people continue to wrest them to their own destruction.
Jesus claimed he would free us from slavery to sin but you imply he was lying. (John 8:34-36)
Paul claims we are free from slavery to sin but you disagree. (Romans 6:16-22)
Why do you think John’s words disagree with both of their testimonies?
Is it more rather his words are hard for even he states ” if any man sin..” implying that either “no” that particular individual does not sin or “yes” that man does sin.
There is a difference in tenses with 1 John 1:10 using a present perfect tense and 1 John 2:1 using present though the tenses in Koine Greek are more expressive.
Note: Present perfect tense describes an action that happened at an indefinite time in the past or that began in the past and continues in the present. LEO: Literacy Education Online
Gene,
Jesus does have a human spirit and it is not called the Spirit of Christ because the Spirit God gave him gas precedence and is called the Spirit of Christ eve though it is the Spirit of God because God gave it to him and he is the Christ. The rest of us, including God’s angels, don’t rate such an attribute even we are also given the same Spirit.
Scripture only gives one way to overcome temptation and that is to walk according to the Spirit. God may create a nature that does much the same thing as the beast in the garden did not sin but then perhaps they were not tempted to sin either. The claim that Jesus lived to the age of thirty something without being by evil disagrees with the idea that he was tempted as we are but without sin. In other words it is a weak argument that is also based on an non-testable hypothesis. For all we know the beast in the garden do walk according to the Spirit.
Gene.
I do not believe Jesus existed before he came be in his mother’s womb and yet I believe he was given the Spirit by God for the reason I have already revealed.
Hi KW,
You are trying to make scripture argue with itself to protect your invalid theory.
The problem is that you do not discern the difference between being reborn of the Spirit and walking in the Spirit.
Those who are reborn are as babies and need milk before they can have meat let alone walk. They fall.
You should know this because Gal 5 would not encourage us to walk in the Spirit if we all did.
Nick,
I realize what you want to see but the simple fact is that the English verb tenses in either 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:10 do not support understanding. In both cases they are speaking of sins that occurred in the past just like the statement “all have sinned…” In 1 John 2:1 it is present or future sins that are spoken of and the “when” is used but rather “if”.
In 1:8 it states “we have no sin” which means we acquired sin in the pass and still posses it. 1:10 uses the same verb form with the words we have not sinned”. In short all have sinned in the past therefore all have sin.
On the other hand 2:1 does not speak of sin that occurred but rather sin that will occur in the ongoing present with the words “And if any man sin”.
Open your eyes because John is not saying the words you want him to.
Hi KW,
The man who goes through repentance and water baptism and then is given a taste of the Spirit has not arrived but has begun a journey. The Powerline has arrived at the front door but must be installed in all the rooms exposing the darkness within to the light and enabling a transformation of the vessel so that it can be useful to the King.
There are many steps of submission and beseeching God to supply His grace and we must open the doors to that light.
Most fail.
Nick,
I am not disagreeing. The end goal is to be like Christ in true righteousness and holiness but to reach it we have to ‘run as if for first prize’. (1 Corinthians 9:24)
Hi KW,
So your doctrine expects that those reborn of the Spirit can walk in that Spirit immediately.
Paul was in labour looking for signs that the Galatians had Christ in them.
Though he denied complete victory he did say he no longer lived but Christ lived in him.
A very fine and useful vessel in the household of God. 2 Tim 2
Hi KW,
Just as parents do not judge the foolishness of little children neither does our Father harshly judge His children.
He wants us to grow and develop and offers every help to enable us to become mature.
My grace is sufficient for you.
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