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Hi KW,
Like Paul Jesus uses all possible means to reach out to the lost.
But he did not do it to glorify the ways of men.
Hi,
Those who rely on logic and are not aware of the work of the Spirit will never grasp the prophetic word.
So being illogical is the answer? The Spirit is not logical? No wonder then you do not believe this simple truth about the messiah.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
The logical way to read this verse is to say that Jesus was born the savior, messiah, and Lord.
But you say that he was “not born as such”.
So the illogical way to read this is to ignore the word ‘today’ and “he is the Messiah, the Lord”.
Got it. Makes perfect sense. Whoops there I go being logical again. Will have another go.
Got it. Doesn’t make sense at all, so must be the right interpretation.
Happy now Nick? lol.
Hi,
Those who rely on logic and are not aware of the work of the Spirit will never grasp the prophetic word.
The Trinity Doctrine is not logical. So could be of this spirit you talk of?
And your view of Jesus not being born the Christ is like saying that Jesus is God. Neither makes any sense and is not found in scripture.
And I don’t want to hear that it is beyond our understanding. Trinitarians justify their doctrine with those words, do you want to follow in their footsteps?
Like Paul Jesus uses all possible means to reach out to the lost.
But he did not do it to glorify the ways of men.
Is this the vessel you speak of? So he is more than a vessel now?
Playing around with weak logic adds nothing to the truth of God.
What about strong logic?
Nick is wrong in this topic but he cannot seem to admit it. Why?
He said:
Of course Jesus was made both Lord and Christ so was not conceived or born as such.
https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-the-logos/page/49/#post-808401But the angel said the very opposite to him.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
The angel was right wasn’t he?
Nick was wrong, but he cannot admit it. Why?
He said:
Of course Jesus was made both Lord and Christ so was not conceived or born as such.
https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-the-logos/page/49/#post-808401But the angel said the very opposite to him.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
The angel was right wasn’t he?
T8…..IT says “TODAY IS “BORN”, UNTO YOU , “A” SAVIOUR IT’S NOT SAYING HE ALREADY SAVED NOW DOES IT?, BUT THAT HE WAS “BORN’ THAT DAY. Lets be honest T8, you need this to try to prove he preexisted as such. Jesus became a saviour that was his destiny at berth, but it never happened till he actually died on the stake or cross, even though that was his desteny from berth. Your making it as if he at berth already accomplished his destny.
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi t8,
Have you not yet realised that you are the odd one out who refuses to hear the Spirit in the mouth of Jesus and the prophets and apostles?
You spend all day long attacking the credibility of those who do.
Could you defeat the Spirit?
Gene please answer my y/n question
“And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon;
and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel:
and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost,
that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.” (Luke 2:25-26)“And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus,
to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God,
and said, LORD, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation” (Luke 2:27-30)
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When Simeon said: “mine eyes have seen thy salvation” was he wrong? “YES” or “NO” ?PLEASE QUIT CONTINUING TO DODGE
Nick,
Hi KW,
Like Paul Jesus uses all possible means to reach out to the lost.
But he did not do it to glorify the ways of men.
Logic is not a desire of the flesh instead it is a gift of God for humanity was gifted with reason and logic is just one way to express reason.
I admit reason is a gift that can and is often misused by men but in itself it is not evil.
Reason is not in conflict with the Spirit but at times is in conflict with the flesh as Paul testifies in Romans 7. In that version reason teaches us that reason is powerless as of itself. Reason can also be deceived because the heart is deceptive above all things.
Why do you condemn a gift of God?
@t8,
t8,
Are you denying that it is Jesus’ sacrifice that saves those that believe?
Yes or No.
I did not answer to this question. Could you please answer?
Hi KW,
The wisdom of God is beyond foolish reason.
Seek the ways of God rather than defending what is of earth.
EDJ….SIMON was actually right he did see the ONE WHO WAS “TO BE”, THE LORDS SALVATION, THE PROPHESIED MESSIAH. do you actually believe we were saved by his berth? or was it by the “sacrifice” of himself that saved us? You and T8 have put the horse ahead of the cart imo.
Tell us, had Jesus died at berth would he still have been our salvation, according to your false understanding he still wouls have been. Put all scriptures together, not just focuse on one scripture and the try to make a doctrine out of it. Let the spirit of God guide you into all truths, “for in the sum of God’s words truth is found”, parting out single words can not make a doctrine. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
When Simeon said: “mine eyes have seen thy salvation” was he wrong? “YES” or “NO” ?
Yes or No ?
Hi Gene,
…claiming you’re right MEANS NOTHING…
…so I will put WHAT YOU SAY to the test…
…now will you please answer my question…
When Simeon said: “mine eyes have seen thy salvation” was he wrong? “Yes” or “No” ?
T8…..IT says “TODAY IS “BORN”, UNTO YOU , “A” SAVIOUR IT’S NOT SAYING HE ALREADY SAVED NOW DOES IT?, BUT THAT HE WAS “BORN’ THAT DAY.
Gene, is that why it also says: he IS the Messiah, the Lord.
And yes, “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you;”
What you guys are doing is changing the verse to read:
“Today in the town of David a FUTURE Savior has been born to you; he WILL BECOME the Messiah, the Lord“.You then give me a hard time for quoting and believing the verse verbatim and reply with an altered version that you expect me to believe.
Why the deception Gene, Kerwin, and Nick? Is it a pet doctrine that you are trying to protect perhaps?
If you do not understand the prophetic word why do you quote the words of the anointed ones?
I believe this:
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.You want me to believe this:
“Today in the town of David a FUTURE Savior has been born to you; he WILL BECOME the Messiah, the Lord“.Why try to deceive me and others on this issue? This cannot be the Spirit at work in you as you contend because the Spirit doesn’t contradict or change the meaning of scripture. That is because scripture was given by inspiration by the Spirit in the first place. You need to be careful about this spirit you speak of. It doesn’t sound like the right one to me.
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