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anyone with common sense knows Jesus was not a lord or savior untill he actually performed the very act of salvationGene let’s examine for a moment the logic you postulate:
Do you believe God wasn’t God until He created something to be “GOD” over? y/nEDJ…..GOD WAS ALWAY GOD scripture says he has no beginning or ending of days.
what does your query have to do with the subject matter we were discusing anyway.
whats your point?Hi Gene,
The “Point” is for us to test your logic – to see if what you postulate is true or is instead error.
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The point: you saying ”No – God was always God” you have provided us with evidence that
goes against the logic YOU SAY we should accept that discounts the Scripture you disagree with.
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Let’s continue to examine the logic you postulate that discounts the Scripture you disagree with.And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon;
and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel:
and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost,
that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.” (Luke 2:25-26)“And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus,
to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God,
and said, LORD, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation” (Luke 2:27-30)
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Now according to your same logic – the logic you claim that we must accept becuse it is common sense:
Simeon’s words (which I have highlighted) MUST BE WRONG according to your common sense logic,
because he could not have been God’s salvation until he actually performed the act of salvation; right?
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So the next logical question in the sequence of testing YOUR COMMON SENSE LOGIC is:
When Simeon said: “mine eyes have seen thy salvation” was he wrong? y/n
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(please do not dodge)Hi,
Those who rely on logic and are not aware of the work of the Spirit will never grasp the prophetic word.
Hi ,
Simeon was a man of the Spirit aware of the prophetic word.
The Angels too have such awareness.
Unless you share their discernment you should not analyse their words with mere carnal logic.
Hi Nick,
So you agree then that Gene’s logic is weighed in the balances and is found wanting.
Good for you Nick!
Hi,
Those who rely on logic and are not aware of the work of the Spirit will never grasp the prophetic word.
Yes Nick,
We should take God at his word and not rely on faulty logic!
I’m glad that you see that I’ve proven Gene’s logic faulty!T8 is right, we should take God at his word!
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” (1 Cor 2:11)“For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name. 3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass. 4 Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass; 5 I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them. 6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. 7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them. 8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.” (Isaiah 48:2-8)
Hi Nick,
Verse 7 says “They are created now, and not from the beginning”
Are they are created now – “Yes” or “No”?
(and please do not dodge)
Hi Ed,
The language of God is spiritual.
It was not designed for men limited to earthly ways.
Know that what God what is prophesised is true to God now so see things his way.
EDJ….Nicks response to you was agreeing with me, you have tried to turn it around to agree with you. GO back and reread what he said.
SIMON was given the privilege to see befor3 he died the “prophesied” Messiah, all ISREAL was waiting for, and the Angel told them the one who was to become the MESSIAH was born to them that day. IT FULFILLED THE PROPHESY WRITTEN IN Isa 9:6 “unto us a child “is” born, unto us a son “is” given: and the government “shall” be upon his shoulder:
Edj…TELL us does JESUS sit on the throne of David? , Does he now establish it, and rule it? did you see the words “is’ born?, was he actually born “then” or did that come at a later date in history? JESUS WAS TO BECOME THOSE THINGS, THE WORDS “shall be” should give you a clue.
According to your logic, because it says “is” then it happened at that time.
Like NICK said you need to let go of your human reasonings and let the spirit of GOD start teaching you. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Gene,
Was Simeon wrong when he said “mine eyes have seen thy salvation” ? y/n
(quit attempting to dodge)
Hi Gene,
Whether Nick sees that I have proven your logic faulty matters not to me.
The point remains: that I have indeed proven your logic faulty!____________
God bless
Ed JEdj…TELL us does JESUS sit on the throne of David? , Does he now establish it, and rule it? did you see the words “is’ born?, was he actually born “then” or did that come at a later date in history? JESUS WAS TO BECOME THOSE THINGS, THE WORDS “shall be” should give you a clue.
Hi Gene,
When you answer my questions I will surely answer yours
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
Exactly as you showed the arrival of the infant Jesus showed those with spiritual insight that the plan of God was begun and would be completed.
God does not fail and His plans are perfect.
Hi Ed,
When you can hear the voice of the Spirit in the mouths of God’s messengers the morning star will have risen in your heart.
Till then you wrestle in the dark.
Hi KW.
Evil?
Are the ideas of children evil?
No just baby talk so we need to move on to what is spiritual.
Nick,
I am not the one that condemns it; you are.
Jesus uses it so he must be one of those children whose ideas you so condemn.
Are you one of those that feel that anything Jesus does is sanctified because he does it and not so sanctified for others to do?
That which is not from reason is by definition nonsense.
Just as Jesus stated, Scripture cannot be broken so why condemn all logic. Instead test the spirit to see if it is from God or from man.
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