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Would you all take some time to reread Mikeboll's last post.
Put yourself in his mind…do you hear him screaming?
What did i say, 'If Mikeboll ever ends a debate, he would be lost'.
Why the aggressive summary?The discussion was over a long time ago…i mean at the first point where it was said:
'No, Jesus was ALWAYS Superior because at one point
he was made lower than the Angels'To some, i'm sorry for the aggression in some of my posts. Things are so clear to me, and maybe i'm not the best at expressing my thoughts in a clear way. I use analogy a lot but then some people take the analogy literally and base their thoughts on that analogy rather than that which it was meant to pertain to.
Scriptures says that a Spirit is like the Wind….so what does someone do? They take the literal worldly Wind and say, 'it is contained because the molecules move together' because there is a need to see thing in earthly eyes. The wordly wind is physical…but it moves in, out, over, through and around things, it appears as if from nowhere and just as easily, disappears, it touches you with a force…a tiny unintelligent force, but none the less, an invisible force. Force is directed energy…where did that energy appear from to create the force that blew you off your bicycle, overturned that juggernaut lorry, ripped up that bridge like a ribbon, whirled round into a Tornado, whirlwind, churn up the mighty oceans and then disappear to as if it never existed?
Well, Angelic Spirit is 'intelligent force', directed energy with an explicit intelligent purposed action.
It does not consist of 'molecules' that require holding together, like an earthly Wind, in order execute its purpose.
So, by viewing things from the limited earthly, fleshly viewpoint, many here are led astray away from Scriptural understanding IN THE SPIRIT…
And here in lies the great secret…You MUST See things from the SPIRITUAL Perspective, otherwise you will be lost.Look at things across the whole spectrum of Scriptures…use the Scripture's hidden directions…
We have all seen that 'analogy', repeated themes, 'FRACTALs' are a basis for understanding many difficult aspects….what did Jesus say, 'The kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed'…ha ha ha…
How many people now think that Heaven is a mustard seed…? Ha ha ha…
Did Jesus literally sit in the throne of God? Well, read about the Kings and Joseph, Haman, and Mordecai. Are they not analogous with God and Jesus.
The King, in book of RUTH, first put Haman in charge, over his kingdom, …not handed him his kingdom, the king was always still in charge… And Haman Sinned, andnwas deposed, and one who was more worthy was put over him, Mordecai, faithful and righteous servant of God. And Haman, he was put to [permanent] death. Remind you of anything?
As many as one may think one thing from this or another, there is a basic truth of Fractal behind it…
Why?
Because God wants us to learn through his word, the Scriptures. God knows that man would try corrupt his word…this is natural, Satan is not slow at attempting to do this.
So how can you protect the validity of the Scriptures against corruption?
Repeat the relevant themes many times, fractalise it, so any curruption in one place, is corrected by analogous themes elsewhere…
Many people cannot understand this and say that JustAskin is talking tosh…
Why? Because they simply don't understand 'things'…like Thomas, who needed to 'see and touch' Jesus before he would believe. And Philip, who couldn't 'See' The Father in Jesus, meaning, the gloriuos nature of the father, embodied in the Son.I understand that Mikeboll is, atmany times, a Thomas, a Philip, and, as phar as i see, a Pharasee, and also a Sadducee…and that, is very SAD, you see…
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 30 2010,16:06) Hi Mike, I also stuck up for twice too!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,That's why I put this in my post:
Kerwin made one passing comment, and Ed made two.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (shimmer @ Nov. 30 2010,19:26) Mike, think about what you just said.
Shimmer,Would you like me to go through and pick out some of the things he's said to me? Why didn't you? I see your comments as very unfair and one-sided.
The “trash talk” wasn't even an issue until I started speaking to him the EXACT SAME way he has spoken to me here for months. THEN all of a sudden, “we're BOTH wrong”. How sweet. Why wasn't ONLY JA wrong for all those previous months when he spoke the same and I held my tongue?
This is like a mother listening to one of her kids call the other one an idiot for 6 hours straight. But only when the other kid has finally had enough and says, “Shut up, YOU'RE the idiot” does she jump in. And when she does, both kids are equally in trouble.
You know what Shimmer? You have seen almost every one of his posts in this thread, the debate and the “body” thread. I know you have seen them, because you frequently commented on how he is right and what a good post he made. And right smack dab in the middle of almost every one of those “good posts” he made were many insults and ridicules directed toward me.
You say I'm making fun of HIS beliefs? He's has been doing the same to me for months. AND I'M THE ONE QUOTING SCRIPTURE against his “Satan is the firsborn who created the earth” crap.
If you want to play “mommy” for us, then do a fair job at it. Don't let it get to a place where I've had all I can take and lash out in retaliation. Correct the kid who is calling me an idiot for 6 hours straight BEFORE I tell him, “Shut up you're the idiot”, okay?
And also Shimmer, you need to make up your mind and stand your ground. You say that you have always believed that Jesus has a spiritual body. But you just recently posted to me that “JA is right and you are wrong” about the “body” thing.
You also agreed that the “all things” that came from God in 1 Cor 8:6 had to be the same “all things” that came through Jesus. So if angels came FROM God, then they also came THROUGH Jesus.
You even made a point to JA about this scripture Shimmer. Do you believe the scripture or not? Because now you're again saying, “I'm not sure”.
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 30 2010,19:47) To some, i'm sorry for the aggression in some of my posts.
Thank you JA. I forgive you. Please work on your tone and harsh words in the future. Maybe if you lose the “verbal fistfight” mentality, you will be open to learning what the scriptures actually teach someday.JA, the “all things” that came FROM God in 1 Cor 8:6 is the same “all things” that came THROUGH Jesus. If angels came FROM God, then angels came THROUGH Jesus.
Deal with it………it's scripture you know. Do you believe scripture JA? Of does your imagination take precedence?
mike
Mikeboll,
I've always said that Jesus has a Spritual Body…. Jesus … has a Spiritual body….Jesus has a Spiritual body because he is the first of the new creation, the True Son of God, the begotten as both MAN and SPIRIT.
So Shimmer is not speaking falsely…it is you who is not reading legibly.
And …having lost the battle… 'the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her ti be carried away by the flood. …but the earth swallowed up the flood.. And the serpent was enraged and went off to make war…'.
Mike, why you attacking Shimmer?
Yes JA. We all know you lost the battle. But thanks for reminding us. You and your friend “Lucifer” (whoever that is) have fun sulking.
And what I post to Shimmer is my business.
mike
Ha…got you to talk to me…ha ha…
See you can't even speak the truth to yourself….no one forced you to say, 'JA, i ain't gonna talk to you again..'Yeah, but you apologized “to some”, and I accepted and forgave.
So while we're talking………….
JA, the “all things” that came FROM God in 1 Cor 8:6 is the same “all things” that came THROUGH Jesus. If angels came FROM God, then angels came THROUGH Jesus.
Can you refute this statement scripturally JA?
mike
Mike, you are both adults.
I only became involved yesterday because I didnt like the way it ended…..when I ended my debating with Bod, we ended in peace. So that is why I got involved here and now….but it's good to see you both getting on better…..GOOD !
JA, PLEASE watch what you say to people, no putdowns, insults, ridicule. OK?
But dont involve me, please. I have tried Mike.
And Mike you have heard me wrong again, I have always believed Jesus has a body, and debated people over the fact, I think Ed I did.
The only thing I'm not sure on is if Jesus was an Angel or not. As I said I learnt alot form JW's and SDA's who both say Jesus was an Angel so I'm not sure.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2010,12:33) Thank you JA. I forgive you. Please work on your tone and harsh words in the future. Maybe if you lose the “verbal fistfight” mentality, you will be open to learning what the scriptures actually teach someday. Thats better !Both of you work on it together !
And Mike, ONE more thing.
The only reason I read through any insulting posts and agree with a good post is because I dont involve myself in the argueing. Do you involve yourself whenever I have argued ? Id rather you didnt, and rather you didnt take sides….so I assumed you would both be the same ? And theres always two sides to a story. Id rather not take sides.
As you know I have only just started reading all of your posts, and theres been some REALLY good ones. If I say “That was a really good post Mike” then it's the truth of what was in your post which i'm seeing.
I did that once before, agreed with a good post, then realised afterwards I was ALSO accidentilly agreeing with an insult the poster had given a person…I didnt agree with that part ! So I had to apologise and explain….likewise I apologise to you if I have unknowingly done this to you, i'm sorry.
OK thats really all I have to say.
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 01 2010,13:37) And Mike you have heard me wrong again, I have always believed Jesus has a body,
Hi Shimmer,Thanks for the explanations about the arguing. I understand. I just couldn't see why you waited until I started retaliating before you said something “forceful”. I was “being good” for a long, long time and just taking the abuse day after day without dishing it back. I'm human and will only tolerate so much. We'll see how it goes from here on out. But I think I will just post to him as respectfully as he posts to me. That seems fair. Do unto others and all that.
Now, you believe that Jesus has a body. JA believes that Jesus has a body. So dig this:
1 Cor 15 NIV
5 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.Does that say Jesus became a SPIRIT? And you guys agree that Jesus DOES have a body. So, spirits DO have bodies after all, huh?
peace and love,
mikeHi Mike. Glad you understand. Thanks.
I have a reply to the verse you put in the other thread 'do spirits have bodies'
Mike………..Tell us one thing why was Jesus resurected with a Body if Spirit does not have a body, and Why did Jesus say a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see i have, is that not the same as saying he was not a spirit being at all? While you are at it also tell us why is there even any physical resurrection of any kind in the first place, if a body is not needed, as(valley of dead bones)shows. Why does God say he will bring them out of their graves and given them bodies again then. Why did Jesus say to fear him who can destory (BOTH) (two things) Body and Spiirt (IN THE GRAVE ) HELLIOS. A living Soul can not exist without a body with Spirit (IN) it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2010,00:45) Mike………..Tell us one thing why was Jesus resurected with a Body if Spirit does not have a body, and Why did Jesus say a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see i have, is that not the same as saying he was not a spirit being at all? While you are at it also tell us why is there even any physical resurrection of any kind in the first place, if a body is not needed, as(valley of dead bones)shows. Why does God say he will bring them out of their graves and given them bodies again then. Why did Jesus say to fear him who can destory (BOTH) (two things) Body and Spiirt (IN THE GRAVE ) HELLIOS. A living Soul can not exist without a body with Spirit (IN) it. IMO peace and love……………………………………………gene
Good points you have raised brother Gene. In fact I have put the same questions to brother Mike but he ignored them since I am not a believer in his view. Christianity made Jesus a non-human rather an alien who visited our planet from a distant celestial abode. It is nothing but a mythology as I often state here.Love and peace to you.
Ahhhhhhhhh…….
Does that Mikeboll guy ever agree with anyone?
?????I said Jesus is Man in Spirit, both Man and Spirit, therefore he has a body when in earth, a recogniseable featured body, as opposed to Angels who appear in nondescript featureless form of a Man.
When Jesus is in Heaven he is in Spirit form, puts off the flesh…My goodness Mike, what is with you. What are you striving to force? Is it not simple enough for you…
The sea, the ocean…imagine the ocean is Heaven and the water in the ocean is the Power of the God. The whole ocean, heaven, and the power within, the water, is contained by God, is from God…and the Land …
There are no boundaries in the water, the power of God, it is one power, but there are intelligences in that power but the power does not need boundaries, the Angels in heaven, the intelligences, do not need any kind of physical boundaries, that's the whole point, Spirits don't need boundaries. Only physical things need boundaries to separate one from the other.
Now, the land is the earth. The intelligence, the Angels, to come to earth, need to be in a 'container' to be on the earth. They need a 'body' to contain the power, the waters, limited amounts of the ocean to be in land.
The [intelligent] waters in their container bodies, can take any shape they deem worthy to perform the task they have been given, the power of the water in the container can be incredible against the weak earth…water can erode even the hardest material on earth but the water itself, is not harmed.
And God's creation, made from the earth and filled with waters, the power of God, small amounts of intelligence…becomes Man.
And when man 'dies', his waters returns to the great ocean…every thing that is waters ends up back in the great ocean….'into the great ocean I commit my waters'Too much and they would hurt the earth…Angels are Powerful creatures…the earth cannot hurt the waters but the waters can hurt the land…and all waters goes back to the sea, the ocean…
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 03 2010,08:21) Does that Mikeboll guy ever agree with anyone? ??
I agree with the God inspired scriptures JA. And any MAN who also agrees with them. That's why I agree with t8, Pierre and Irene on virtually everything. And Kathi on everything except the worshipping of Jesus as a “part of God”. And I'm finding that Shimmer and I are not too far off on many things also.That's why I also agree with you when you speak scripturally. Same with Gene, Ed, Adam and the rest.
mike
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