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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,09:17) Hi WU
You say
“If God knew that Adam/Eve would never eat of the fruit;
God would have created them in spirit form;not in the flesh.”
Nick.If God knew that they would never sin;why would He create them in the flesh?
Why not as the angels?
The flesh has a purpose;to go through evil and good.
Spirit creatures dont feel pain and suffering.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,09:34) Hi WU,
Are we given to know the purposes of God?
Nick.If you seek; you can find the purpose.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,09:41) Hi WU,
Flesh has a purpose?
Angels are not of flesh and one third are removed from heaven rev 12
Nick.Yes flesh has a purpose.
God could create us spirit.
Why did he choose flesh instead?wakeup.
For the same reason God created cockroaches lower than us, Wakeup.
We were created a little lower than the gods (angels), and other beings were created lower than us, and still other beings were created lower than those beings……… and so on and so on.
God didn't want only spirit creatures. For His good pleasure He also created creatures of flesh – and a planet full of treasures where those flesh creatures could live and enjoy life.
He already had a bunch of spirit sons. If YOU had the option of creating just one kind of being, or an endless variety of various beings – which would you do?
In my mind, God has also created multiple other planets with various life forms. Perhaps there are other beings out there that were created from elements that don't even exist in our galaxy. Perhaps the “Adam and Eve” scenario has played out a million different times on a million different planets. Perhaps some of those “Adams” didn't eat of the fruit, and are still living to this very day.
At any rate, God created the earth and the flesh beings who thrive on it for His own good pleasure.
Don't consider it a “punishment” to have not been created as a spirit being. Instead, consider yourself blessed to have been created as the dominant species on earth….. instead of as a fruit fly who only lives a week or two.
God has formed creatures higher than humans, and lower than humans. Be happy we're close to the top, instead of at the very bottom.
Mike B.
All creatures have a purpose here on earth.
Even the bee is important to us.Be glad that we are made of flesh;for now we can know what is good and what is evil.
We can experience pain and sorrows.
Just as our Lord has.Angels never can have our experience.
wakeup.
Ta all………..Heb 2:5….. For unto the angels has he not put in subjection the world to come whereof we speak (6) But one in a certain place testifies, saying, What is man, that thou are mindful of him or the son of man, that thou visit him.? (7) Thou made him (mankind) a “LITTLE” lower than the angels; you crowned him (mankind) with glory and honor, and did set him (mankind) over the work of your hands : (8) You have put “ALL” things in subjection under his (mankind's) feet. For in that he put “ALL” in subjection under him, he left “NOTHING”that is not put under him (mankind).
Read it and study it and think about it. Mankind is very highly exalted in the eyes of God. I do not believe it is now or ever was God intent to do away with him, in fact scripture also says, “For it has not even entered the mind of Man the thing God has Prepared for Him”.
So don't sell mankind to short.
peace and love to you all……………………….gene
Gene,
It is a weak circumstantial case to claim God meant that man would die this millennium if he ate from the tree. I cannot say what he means beyond what I said. I know at the least those things become true.
I know that from the time that adam ate of the tree man has needed Jesus to give him spiritual life, a life he had in the garden.
I know that on that day man became mortal.
I do believe that that of man, only Enoch and Elijah lived a millennium or more, but they do not count as they were taken up into heaven.
That is all I know and one interpretation is as good as another as long as it is viewed a gray area where each servant does as he fits provided that action is not sin.
Nick,
God is immortal, the Lord of time, he does not see time as we do. He may only deign to notice it for the sake of creation. Therefore you can just as truthfully say a million years is like a day and day is like a million years to God. 1000 is a nice round number and symbolic. It symbolizes a multitude.
Quote A THOUSAND A thousand and its multiples are frequently used in the Bible as round numbers indicating a large amount. Etymologically the Hebrew word elef (“thousand”) denotes “a crowd,” and hence at times has the sense of “tribe,” “clan,” or designates a military unit, which does not necessarily comprise 1,000 (Ex. 18:21; Deut. 33:17; Judg. 6:15). Flinders Petrie (Researches in Sinai), interpreting elef to mean a family or tent, reduced the figure for the first census to 5,500, and to 5,730 for the second. Multiples of 1,000 are often hyperbolic expressions (Lev. 26:8; Deut. 32:30; I Sam. 18:7; Ps. 3:7[6]; Song 5:10). Seventy thousand (II Sam. 24:15) and 1,000,000 (Dan. 7:10; I Chron. 21:5; 22:14; II Chron. 14:8) are globular figures indicative of a vast number, while “thousands of ten thousands” (Gen. 24:60) and “ten thousand times ten thousand” (Dan. 7:10) are imaginative numerical ultimates. Similarly high figures are found in Ugaritic literature.
Note: jewishvirtuallibrary.org
Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2014,03:06) Gene, It is a weak circumstantial case to claim God meant that man would die this millennium if he ate from the tree. I cannot say what he means beyond what I said. I know at the least those things become true.
I know that from the time that adam ate of the tree man has needed Jesus to give him spiritual life, a life he had in the garden.
I know that on that day man became mortal.
I do believe that that of man, only Enoch and Elijah lived a millennium or more, but they do not count as they were taken up into heaven.
That is all I know and one interpretation is as good as another as long as it is viewed a gray area where each servant does as he fits provided that action is not sin.
Kerwin.Quote I know that on that day man became mortal. Not so; because they have not eaten of the tree of life,
so they always had been mortal.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2014,13:12) Wakeup, Did God lie to Adam when he told him that in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good evil that he would die?
Wakeup,I believe you not only answered that God did not lie but also that the flesh would have been immortal if man had not sinned. That is immortal flesh, the very flesh that comes to worship God after the last battle.
Isaiah 66:23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2014,22:22) Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2014,03:06) Gene, It is a weak circumstantial case to claim God meant that man would die this millennium if he ate from the tree. I cannot say what he means beyond what I said. I know at the least those things become true.
I know that from the time that adam ate of the tree man has needed Jesus to give him spiritual life, a life he had in the garden.
I know that on that day man became mortal.
I do believe that that of man, only Enoch and Elijah lived a millennium or more, but they do not count as they were taken up into heaven.
That is all I know and one interpretation is as good as another as long as it is viewed a gray area where each servant does as he fits provided that action is not sin.
Kerwin.Quote I know that on that day man became mortal. Not so; because they have not eaten of the tree of life,
so they always had been mortal.wakeup.
Wakeup,Your reasoning is based on the assumption that they had to eat of the tree of life to be immortal and the second assumption that they did not eat of the tree of life before they became mortal. I do not agree with those assumptions as God said they could eat of the tree of life and any other tree of the garden but not of the tree that bore the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
Scripture states the wages of sin is death. No one that does not sin earns those wages and God is not unjust.
Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2014,03:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2014,13:12) Wakeup, Did God lie to Adam when he told him that in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good evil that he would die?
Wakeup,I believe you not only answered that God did not lie but also that the flesh would have been immortal if man had not sinned. That is immortal flesh, the very flesh that comes to worship God after the last battle.
Isaiah 66:23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Kewin.Flesh can not be immortal;untill he has eaten of the tree of life.
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23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.THAT IS IN THE THOUSAND YEARS WHEN ALL WILL WORSHIP GOD IN TRUTH. (JEWS AND GENTILES IN THE FLESH). The gentiles will come from outside in, to worship.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
You are correct that the tree of life changes mortal flesh to immortal flesh but you are incorrect if you believe God created flesh as a subject of corruption.
No, it is not the Messianic age; when the living wicked cannot sin as Satan is bound during the same time.
In addition I only gave the verse I felt was relevant and it seems you are speaking without knowledge of the next verse.
Isaiah 66:24
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
That can only be after Judgement Day.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,04:41) Hi WU,
Flesh has a purpose?
Angels are not of flesh and one third are removed from heaven rev 12
Nick,It is not written that angels are not flesh and it is written that Lot and others mistakenly identified them as humans.
Nick,
My point is that you were teaching from what is not written for it isn't written that angels are not flesh.
I know of no where where we are told whether on not angels have bodies or what those bodies are made of. At most we are given examples and can only resolve these mysteries from them.
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