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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2013,09:47) why would God punished the snake animal that is
There is scripture that tells of God punishing land, because of the things people did on it.Jesus also punished the fig tree that had no fruit when he wanted some.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 03 2013,04:51) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 02 2013,09:19)
Hi KerwinQuote Journey, Quote DAY 1 – LIGHT FROM THE SUN'S RAYS HITS EARTH
You should read that again as earth did not have a day or night until the fourth day. In fact there was not a sun that shined previously to the forth day.Genesis 1:3 And God said let there be light: and there was light.
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the FIRST DAY.
Journey,This is what we are told about the forth day.
Genesis 1:14-19
King James Version (KJV)14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.God stated these on the forth day after he had previously divided the day and night on the first day.
Quote And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; There are no lights in the heaven to give light until the Fourth Night and Day.
Quote And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. It was on the Fourth Night and Day the lights gave light upon the earth.
Quote And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, The first night and day was not earth's night and day. With no suns to separate the day from the night it was not in our universe.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2013,14:53) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 28 2013,22:14) Or we could just trust in the scriptures. God has revealed to us that creation was done in 6 days. DAY 1 – LIGHT FROM THE SUN'S RAYS HITS EARTH
DAY 2 – FIRMAMENT. WATERS DIVIDED, WATERS GATHERED ON EARTH, AND SEPARATED FROM LAND.
DAY 3 – GRASS, HERB, FRUIT TREES CREATED
DAY 4 – LIGHT FOR THE NIGHT
DAY 5 – SEA CREATURES, FOWLS, AND LAND ANIMALS
DAY 6 – ADAM AND EVE CREATEDI don't see where anyone or anything else could fit in before Adam?
What if one of those “land animals”, as you call them, were the pre-Adamic humanoids I'm talking about?Not quite “adam”, but something close?
Hi MikeTo me, it's clear that the earth was created in 6 literal days. I can't see a civilisation fitting in there before day 6. Not even before day 1 as the earth was filled with water.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2013,09:14) Interesting, Kerwin. Where do those figures come from? It just seems natural to me that a man twice as tall would weigh TWICE as much – not EIGHT TIMES as much.
Mike,Giants are 3 dimensional and the increase in size is in all three dimensions.
I read about the cube root law on a few forums, where it was credited to Galileo.
The Seismosaurus is one of the tallest dinosaurs and is said to be 84'/25.6 meters tall and weighed in at 100 tons. A 6 foot tall one would be about 73lbs using the cube root law.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 03 2013,00:26) Hi Mike To me, it's clear that the earth was created in 6 literal days.
A day for God can be like a thousand years for us, right?Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,00:53) Giants are 3 dimensional and the increase in size is in all three dimensions. I read about the cube root law on a few forums, where it was credited to Galileo.
Hmmmm…………I'm going to check that out sometime. It still doesn't add up to me.
A four foot tall person might weigh 100 pounds soaking wet. But would an 8 foot tall person really weigh 800 pounds?
How much do those 7+ basketball players weigh? Surely not 800 pounds.
Interesting.
kerwin,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey, This is what we are told about the forth day.
Genesis 1:14-19
King James Version (KJV)14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.God stated these on the forth day after he had previously divided the day and night on the first day.
Hi Kerwin.
We have to go back a bit first.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This is the beginning of creation. Not necessarily on day 1, but before. We know when Adam and Eve were here, the Devil and the angels were already created. Lucifer was a high cherub, so he would of been created long before the earth was shaped. The heavens (universe) would of existed, and the earth also just hanging there, void, and full of water. The SHAPING of the earth and the universe has not started. I would say the sun and planets are already there, but maybe not the stars properly formed, nor the moon?
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
NOW WE CAN START COUNTING THE DAYS OF CREATION. (THE SHAPING OF THE EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE)
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Can you see here that the earth was already there? Now God's spirit starts moving upon the face of the waters, as he is about to shape the earth.
Genesis 1:3 And God said Let there be light: and there was light.
Does it say that God created light on this first day? No. He just commanded …let there be light…, and the earth was lit. We know that light comes from the sun, but he didn't say he created the sun on this day. I think the sun was already there, but something was blocking the sun's rays from reaching the earth. So whatever it was, God moved it away, allowing the light to come in. (look up dust clouds, nebular) A big dust cloud (baby star not properly formed) would be big enough to not allow light if it were sitting in between the earth and the sun. What if God just moved this dust cloud to the side? Would this let the light come in?
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the Darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The Earth has started spinning now. And we have night. This darkness has no lights to light up the night yet. So go to day 4 now.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.
To me, this is just telling us that God made the lights. The light for the day, and the light for the night. The light was already existing on day one, now there is light for the night. He made the stars also, but I think he finished the stars on this day.
Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.
God has obviously repositioned what's already there. (the moon and the stars) so that their light can reach earth.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, …and… all their host have I commanded.
Stretched out the heavens. (moved things about, out of the way,…repositioned, thus making the universe larger)
Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
On the sixth day, everything was finished.
Quote (jammin @ Mar. 03 2013,21:54) adam is the first man. no doubt about it
Sure. But was he the first creature made in God's image.
I think that is the real point.It says that the sons of God had children with the woman of adam.
How do you reconcile this. Angels? If so, how did they have children with woman?
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,11:43) So only that fig tree died right ! 
YesSo was it all the snakes or just that one
That got cursed
MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2013,13:49) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,00:53) Giants are 3 dimensional and the increase in size is in all three dimensions. I read about the cube root law on a few forums, where it was credited to Galileo.
Hmmmm…………I'm going to check that out sometime. It still doesn't add up to me.
A four foot tall person might weigh 100 pounds soaking wet. But would an 8 foot tall person really weigh 800 pounds?
How much do those 7+ basketball players weigh? Surely not 800 pounds.
Interesting.
Mike,Leonid Stadnyk was recorded at 8' 5″ and 440lbs using the cube root law a corresponding 6 foot man would be 160 lbs.
A 4' tall man would be 47 lbs. I believe that measurement is on the light side.
Looking at Leonid Stadnyk's pictures it appears his legs are longer in proportion to his body than is considered normal.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2013,18:45) [/quote] Quote journey42,Mar. wrote:Hi Mike
To me, it's clear that the earth was created in 6 literal days.
A day for God can be like a thousand years for us, right?
Hi MikeGenesis 1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:8 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 1:31 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.The earth is already orbiting around the sun from day one, or there would be no evening or morning. This is how we get our days.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for DAYS, and YEARS.
Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
In six days, all was finished.
God rested on the seventh day.When God commanded the Israelites to rest on the sabbath day, was it every 1000 years? or every seven literal days.
The reason why God said;
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.is because God is all knowing. He sees the end in the beginning. We on the other hand do go by time. To observe signs, seasons, days & years.
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
A thousand years is AS one day only applies to God, not us.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,15:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2013,13:49) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,00:53) Giants are 3 dimensional and the increase in size is in all three dimensions. I read about the cube root law on a few forums, where it was credited to Galileo.
Hmmmm…………I'm going to check that out sometime. It still doesn't add up to me.
A four foot tall person might weigh 100 pounds soaking wet. But would an 8 foot tall person really weigh 800 pounds?
How much do those 7+ basketball players weigh? Surely not 800 pounds.
Interesting.
Mike,Leonid Stadnyk was recorded at 8' 5″ and 440lbs using the cube root law a corresponding 6 foot man would be 160 lbs.
A 4' tall man would be 47 lbs. I believe that measurement is on the light side.
Looking at Leonid Stadnyk's pictures it appears his legs are longer in proportion to his body than is considered normal.
I'm by no means a mathematician, but I think there's an obvious flaw with the cube root law.My height has doubled since the time I was 5 or 6, and my weight has done the same.
If you figure a 3 foot tall 6 year old weighs 80 pounds, the cube root law would have the 6 foot tall adult verson of that kid weighing 640 pounds.
Something's wrong with that math.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,09:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,11:43) So only that fig tree died right ! YesSo was it all the snakes or just that one
That got cursed
Mike
Leviticus 18:25
Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin………..Pierre, God made childbirth painful for ALL woman because of Eve's sin. And in His wisdom, he brought the curse to ALL snakes because of Satan's sin. And He can punish the land itself, if He sees fit.
So you're asking me why Jesus cursed only the one fig tree instead of all of them? I don't know. Do you suppose Jesus COULD HAVE cursed ALL fig trees, so that NONE of them ever produced fruit again? Of course he could have.
I can't tell you WHY God cursed all snakes, and Jesus only cursed one fig tree. It is not for me to justify these things.
I no longer remember why we're even discussing this.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2013,06:44) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,09:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,11:43) So only that fig tree died right ! YesSo was it all the snakes or just that one
That got cursed
Mike
Leviticus 18:25
Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin………..Pierre, God made childbirth painful for ALL woman because of Eve's sin. And in His wisdom, he brought the curse to ALL snakes because of Satan's sin. And He can punish the land itself, if He sees fit.
So you're asking me why Jesus cursed only the one fig tree instead of all of them? I don't know. Do you suppose Jesus COULD HAVE cursed ALL fig trees, so that NONE of them ever produced fruit again? Of course he could have.
I can't tell you WHY God cursed all snakes, and Jesus only cursed one fig tree. It is not for me to justify these things.
I no longer remember why we're even discussing this.
MikeGe 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”it does not say ;SERPENT …S..ONLY SINGULAR ,ANF THE FOLLOWING VERSE TALKS ABOUT THE OFFSPRING OF THE SERPENT ,SEE IT AND SO IT HIS SATAN THAT IS POINT OUT ALLEGORICALLY AND SO IS THE CURSE,
AND ALL IS NOW ACCOMPLISHED,
Quote I no longer remember why we're even discussing this. 
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 03 2013,18:15) A thousand years is AS one day only applies to God, not us.
Hi journey,Instead of arguing this back and forth, why not address the questions of this thread?
Here are the main points – please explain them to me:
1. Cain was banished and afraid of “the others” in the land of Nod, who would kill him. Who were these “others”?
2. Cain had his firstborn, Enoch, after being banished.
3. Abel died childless.
4. God gave Eve Seth to REPLACE Abel when Adam was 130 years old.
5. Noah had his first child when he was 500 years old.
6. All three of Noah's sons were childless at the age of 100, when the flood came.
7. Genesis 5 lists the age of certain men when they begat what I assume was their FIRST child (because they are all said to have begotten other sons and daughters AFTER the one mentioned……. never BEFORE the one mentioned).
8. The same is said of Adam: That he had other sons and daughters AFTER Seth.
9. Everyone “justifies” these “others” by assuming MANY children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. were born during that first 130 years before Cain was banished, BUT………….
10. Let's say Cain killed Abel early in life. Then the question is how there were so many “others” that fast.
11. Let's say Cain killed Abel when they were both over 100 years old. That would give an adequate amount of time for many “others” to be born – but doesn't explain why everyone else was breeding like rabbits EXCEPT FOR Cain and Abel, who were both apparently childless at the time of Abel's death.
12. Cain told God that his punishment – being banished to the land of Nod, away from God's presence – was too much to bear. Why then, were there “others” already WILLINGLY living there – away from God's presence?
13. Why did Cain set about building a CITY when there were only three human beings living in the land of Nod?
14. If the “righteous” human seed had to proceed from Seth (since righteous Abel was killed), then why weren't any of Adam's other offspring before Seth righteous? Could Adam and Eve have begotten an entire multitude of peoples, and ONLY Abel was righteous out of the whole lot of them? The rest were all evil, and so God had to produce Seth to carry on the “righteous” line?
These are the questions I'm asking, journey. I'm not trying to go against scripture – but I'm curious about these things.
I agree that Adam was the first of the species the Hebrews called “adam”. I'm suggesting that perhaps, among the “beasts of the field”, there were “other” humanoid beings who were NOT called “adam” by the Hebrews. I suggest that perhaps these were the “others” that Cain was afraid of.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 04 2013,11:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2013,18:45) [/quote] Quote journey42,Mar. wrote:Hi Mike
To me, it's clear that the earth was created in 6 literal days.
A day for God can be like a thousand years for us, right?
Hi MikeGenesis 1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:8 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 1:31 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.The earth is already orbiting around the sun from day one, or there would be no evening or morning. This is how we get our days.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for DAYS, and YEARS.
Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
In six days, all was finished.
God rested on the seventh day.When God commanded the Israelites to rest on the sabbath day, was it every 1000 years? or every seven literal days.
The reason why God said;
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.is because God is all knowing. He sees the end in the beginning. We on the other hand do go by time. To observe signs, seasons, days & years.
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
A thousand years is AS one day only applies to God, not us.
Sorry, I greeted you but it didn't come out. Looks rude of me. Hi Mike, how are you?(my mouse is playing up, very frustrated typing lately!)
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,18:53) it does not say ;SERPENT …S..ONLY SINGULAR ,ANF THE FOLLOWING VERSE TALKS ABOUT THE OFFSPRING OF THE SERPENT ,SEE IT AND SO IT HIS SATAN THAT IS POINT OUT ALLEGORICALLY AND SO IS THE CURSE,
Well, ALL snakes crawl on their belly, right? Did they before the curse? Who knows?Perhaps God held snakes responsible because Satan came disguised as one to Eve. After all, He also cursed the entire ground because of this one event too, right? And the entire species of human beings was cursed because of this event, right? So why not the entire species of snakes?
God's ways are not for us to understand.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 03 2013,19:11) Sorry, I greeted you but it didn't come out. Looks rude of me. Hi Mike, how are you? (my mouse is playing up, very frustrated typing lately!)
Maybe your mouse needs a new battery?I very rarely post a greeting. If you ever don't see one from me, just pretend that it's there, because it is implied.
Also, you don't have to tackle that long list I posted all at once. Just start with #1, and post your ideas about it. Then we can discuss your ideas about the other numbers, one at a time.
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