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Good points, all. I kind of want to see that movie “Splice”, that he warned us against.
I get your point about lions maybe being herbivores and laying down with lambs before the fallen ones messed with the DNA……… but why did God change His mind and tell Noah he could start being an omnivore after the flood?
My guess is that after the flood, plants didn't grow as well and to compensate he let us eat meat for sustenance. Although you would think that God needed to tamper with our DNA to enact that change. Unless we were always able to eat meat, but didn't need to in the Antediluvian age.
Wasn't there mention in the video about reference to man's DNA changing so that the sons of God could not have offspring with mankind. Book of Jubilees or something. If that is the case, then God could have changed us to herbivores by rewriting our DNA at that point.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2013,15:01) I kind of want to see that movie “Splice”, that he warned us against.
Yeah, I did too.Will look out for it.
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Quote Was Adam truly the FIRST man ever? Adam means man, so perhaps he was the first, and why he was called Adam.
This does open up the possibility that something was going on here before Adam. It could even be that God created Adam to take dominion of the Earth and that could have included taking dominion from someone who had it before. If Adam was told to repopulate the Earth, then that would fit that idea too.
I don't think we will know until all things are revealed, but suffice to say, there is a whole lot of history before we came on the scene.
Hi T8This is my two cents worth.
Or we could just trust in the scriptures. God has revealed to us that creation was done in 6 days.
DAY 1 – LIGHT FROM THE SUN'S RAYS HITS EARTH
DAY 2 – FIRMAMENT. WATERS DIVIDED, WATERS GATHERED ON EARTH, AND SEPARATED FROM LAND.
DAY 3 – GRASS, HERB, FRUIT TREES CREATED
DAY 4 – LIGHT FOR THE NIGHT
DAY 5 – SEA CREATURES, FOWLS, AND LAND ANIMALS
DAY 6 – ADAM AND EVE CREATEDI don't see where anyone or anything else could fit in before Adam? Because there is only 6 days of creation. I can't see it as a mystery.
Quote But there could have been a pre-adamic race with a different name during the angelic rebellion.
The angelic rebellion started in the garden when Eve ate the fruit. This was the first sin committed by Satan. He is the father of sin. The first one to introduce it, and it happened in the garden. There was no rebellion before this, just Satan's ideas in his head.Quote We are told there was war in heaven, but we are not told of the works of these angels
This war in heaven happened when Christ was resurrected. Job proves to us that before the resurrection, Satan was free to roam between heaven and earth. He was contaminating heaven and accusing the brethren. He was there in heaven, during a meeting with the sons of God (angels)Hi Journey.
Some good points there Journey.
However, not all things are recorded. Take a look at the angels coming down and creating the Nephilim. That is recorded in one paragraph. It could easily not even be there, but appears as a passing reference. What else has happened that is not written. I think this is what we are alluding to, but we are also admitting that you cannot fill in the blanks ourselves unless it comes from God and his inspired scriptures.
It is possible I think even from what you say, that after the fall there was further interaction with Satan and people. And if the sons of God created the Nephilim, and they were on the Earth before the flood and afterward too, then that doesn't rule out that things were going on around the time of the first people.
Just saying.
I posted this video elsewhere regarding the Mark of the Beast. But there were some points about the Nephilim in the video and it might assist in exploring this topic.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2013,22:28) Hi Journey. Some good points there Journey.
However, not all things are recorded. Take a look at the angels coming down and creating the Nephilim. That is recorded in one paragraph. It could easily not even be there, but appears as a passing reference. What else has happened that is not written. I think this is what we are alluding to, but we are also admitting that you cannot fill in the blanks ourselves unless it comes from God and his inspired scriptures.
It is possible I think even from what you say, that after the fall there was further interaction with Satan and people. And if the sons of God created the Nephilim, and they were on the Earth before the flood and afterward too, then that doesn't rule out that things were going on around the time of the first people.
Just saying.
Hi T8.You need to read the book of enoch,for he fills in all the blanks.He is the one witness of the old world.
1500plus yrs after Adam the angels has already menaged to corupt the creation of God,and those angels are still paying the price now. They are in prison still. 1Pet.3:19.20.
2Pet.2:4 Jude 1:6.wakeup.
T8 and all,
One established fact is that there was no death or sickness before Adam and Eve fell from grace since the world was not subject to frustration until that event occurred.
Another fact is that plants, or at least parts of them, were devoured and so perished.
I see no evidence that plant have souls though both animals and humans are said to.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 01 2013,21:33) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2013,22:28) Hi Journey. Some good points there Journey.
However, not all things are recorded. Take a look at the angels coming down and creating the Nephilim. That is recorded in one paragraph. It could easily not even be there, but appears as a passing reference. What else has happened that is not written. I think this is what we are alluding to, but we are also admitting that you cannot fill in the blanks ourselves unless it comes from God and his inspired scriptures.
It is possible I think even from what you say, that after the fall there was further interaction with Satan and people. And if the sons of God created the Nephilim, and they were on the Earth before the flood and afterward too, then that doesn't rule out that things were going on around the time of the first people.
Just saying.
Hi T8.You need to read the book of enoch,for he fills in all the blanks.He is the one witness of the old world.
1500plus yrs after Adam the angels has already menaged to corupt the creation of God,and those angels are still paying the price now. They are in prison still. 1Pet.3:19.20.
2Pet.2:4 Jude 1:6.wakeup.
wakeup,If we had an uncorrupted version of 1 Enoch then you would have a point but the version we have is corrupt. King Og is the tallest giant spoken of in Scripture and he was no more than 18 feet tall while the giants of 1 Enoch are are around 450 feet tall at the least.
The Sheol of Jesus has two parts while that of 1 Enoch has four.
Jesus speaks of the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked while 1 Enoch speaks of four resurrections.
Journey,
Quote DAY 1 – LIGHT FROM THE SUN'S RAYS HITS EARTH You should read that again as earth did not have a day or night until the fourth day. In fact there was not a sun that shined previously to the forth day.
That leads me to conclude that the 1st Night and Day was heavens night and day and not earths or anywhere else in this universe.
I also see it as the beginning of time.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 02 2013,12:10) wakeup, If we had an uncorrupted version of 1 Enoch then you would have a point but the version we have is corrupt. King Og is the tallest giant spoken of in Scripture and he was no more than 18 feet tall while the giants of 1 Enoch are are around 450 feet tall at the least.
The Sheol of Jesus has two parts while that of 1 Enoch has four.
Jesus speaks of the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked while 1 Enoch speaks of four resurrections.
A couple of things.The Dead Sea Scrolls contained multiple versions of the Book of Enoch and different languages too I think.
Secondly, a 450 giant doesn't seem feasible except that it is actually possible when you mix and match DNA.
After all, there are lizards and there were dinosaurs. Both reptile, but a massive difference in size.
If these angels were sinning against animals, then I guess they might have had a bit of fun and created giants.
Of course the calculation could be wrong. What unit is recorded as the measurement because it wouldn't have been feet or metres. And how do we know if the calculation is correct.
Quote I mean if Satan appeared to Eve, then that suggests that he may have been messing around with stuff even previous to that encounter. Further God cursed the serpent (animal) so that it would move on its belly. Was that a genetically manipulated animal right there? Seems funny that God cursed that animal to me, but this could explain it. Ge 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:KJV
15 And the Lord God said to the serpent, Because thou hast done this thou art cursed above all cattle and all the brutes of the earth, on thy breast and belly thou shalt go, and thou shalt eat earth all the days of thy life. XLL
what does it mean BEING CURSED “ABOVE ALL OTHER ANIMALS ” WHY NOT DOWN OR BELOW
why would God punished the snake animal that is ;or was Satan using the cover of the snake to do what he did,?? in this case it would not be the animal that is cursed but Satan himself ,this would mean that from his position he as dropped and so be restricted to be with men ,and so lost his power prestige he had before this ,wen Christ went to heaven he(Satan) also lost his ability to go in heaven as well ,
kerwin,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Hi KerwinQuote Journey, Quote DAY 1 – LIGHT FROM THE SUN'S RAYS HITS EARTH
You should read that again as earth did not have a day or night until the fourth day. In fact there was not a sun that shined previously to the forth day.Genesis 1:3 And God said let there be light: and there was light.
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the FIRST DAY.Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,05:47) why would God punished the snake animal that is ;or was Satan using the cover of the snake to do what he did,?? in this case it would not be the animal that is cursed but Satan himself ,this would mean that from his position he as dropped and so be restricted to be with men ,and so lost his power prestige he had before this ,wen Christ went to heaven he(Satan) also lost his ability to go in heaven as well ,
The crawling on the belly could be allegorical. Or it could have been that the snake did fly, but was made to crawl on it's belly as an allegorical sign representing Satan's fall or curse.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 03 2013,04:58) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2013,05:47) why would God punished the snake animal that is ;or was Satan using the cover of the snake to do what he did,?? in this case it would not be the animal that is cursed but Satan himself ,this would mean that from his position he as dropped and so be restricted to be with men ,and so lost his power prestige he had before this ,wen Christ went to heaven he(Satan) also lost his ability to go in heaven as well ,
The crawling on the belly could be allegorical. Or it could have been that the snake did fly, but was made to crawl on it's belly as an allegorical sign representing Satan's fall or curse.
history let me believe that at that time it was allegorical to Satan .Quote (t8 @ Mar. 02 2013,09:56) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 02 2013,12:10) wakeup, If we had an uncorrupted version of 1 Enoch then you would have a point but the version we have is corrupt. King Og is the tallest giant spoken of in Scripture and he was no more than 18 feet tall while the giants of 1 Enoch are are around 450 feet tall at the least.
The Sheol of Jesus has two parts while that of 1 Enoch has four.
Jesus speaks of the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked while 1 Enoch speaks of four resurrections.
A couple of things.The Dead Sea Scrolls contained multiple versions of the Book of Enoch and different languages too I think.
Secondly, a 450 giant doesn't seem feasible except that it is actually possible when you mix and match DNA.
After all, there are lizards and there were dinosaurs. Both reptile, but a massive difference in size.
If these angels were sinning against animals, then I guess they might have had a bit of fun and created giants.
Of course the calculation could be wrong. What unit is recorded as the measurement because it wouldn't have been feet or metres. And how do we know if the calculation is correct.
T8,The giants are said to be 300 cubits tall and Og's bed was 9 cubits long. A cubit is from 1.5 to 2 feet long according to the information I have.
The point I am making is that the giants in Scripture are significantly shorter than those in 1 Enoch.
Also note that a giant that is twice the height of a man is 8 times heavier. So a giant 75 times larger is 75 to the power of three times heavier. Lets say the man is 4 cubits tall and 150 lbs. The giant would be in the area of 300 tons while King Og would be somewhere around 2 tons.
Interesting, Kerwin.
Where do those figures come from? It just seems natural to me that a man twice as tall would weigh TWICE as much – not EIGHT TIMES as much.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 28 2013,22:14) Or we could just trust in the scriptures. God has revealed to us that creation was done in 6 days. DAY 1 – LIGHT FROM THE SUN'S RAYS HITS EARTH
DAY 2 – FIRMAMENT. WATERS DIVIDED, WATERS GATHERED ON EARTH, AND SEPARATED FROM LAND.
DAY 3 – GRASS, HERB, FRUIT TREES CREATED
DAY 4 – LIGHT FOR THE NIGHT
DAY 5 – SEA CREATURES, FOWLS, AND LAND ANIMALS
DAY 6 – ADAM AND EVE CREATEDI don't see where anyone or anything else could fit in before Adam?
What if one of those “land animals”, as you call them, were the pre-Adamic humanoids I'm talking about?Not quite “adam”, but something close?
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