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Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2013,15:25) [/quote] mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:Quote Jesus told us that HE was the bright Morning Star. And I don't even know how to address this “Universe Mother Spirit” thing the UB author has concocted. Mike,and all,
Yes Mike, when THE WORD THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR CREATOR GOD, the SON’S SPIRIT, before the world was, left the Father, HE HAD TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF AS MOTHER EARTH, FIRST!
THIS IS MANIFESTED IN MARY’S FLESH! THE FIRST BORN PERFECT HUMAN BEING EVER CREATED THROUGH NATURE!
THE PERFECT MICROCOSM!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE WORD HAD TO BE BORN FROM SUCH PURE SUBSTANCE! HIS OWN!
SO MARY’S FLESH BODY IS THE SON’S SPIRIT TRANSFORMED THROUGH NATURE!
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST THE WORD THE SON’S SPIRIT EQUIPPED WITH THE FULL POWER OF GOD WAS MOTHER SPIRIT! OR THE FEMININE SIDE OF GOD!
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKEN!
ALL BY HIM AND ALL IN HIM!
Now it’s all in this scripture hereunder when you reflect!
Genesis 2:23 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Joseph and Mary were married when Jesus was conceived the natural way. As parents they had been chosen from a number of people that could have been suitable.
Jesus was born on August 21, 7 BC. He was the first of 7 brothers and sisters. James April 2, 3 BC…..Mariam July 11, 2 BC….Joseph March 16, AD 1…Simon April 14, AD 2….Jude June 24, AD 5 Amos Jan 9, AD 7…….
When Jesus was 14, his father Joseph died in a construction accident on September 25 while working on Herods palace. He fell off a scaffolding and died latter.
Mary was pregnate with her 8th child when Joseph died. Ruth was born April 17, AD 9.
Jesus became the head of the household and proved to be a loyal father figure to his siblings and supported the family until he was in his 20's when official responsibility was turned over to James. After Joseph died the family struggled in basic poverty for a time, but even in his later years Jesus continued to send money to support his family.
Jesus worked at the Zebadee boat shop off and on. He was a master carpenter and even improved upon boat designs. He also worked as a tutor and caravan guide as well as other odd jobs for short periods, primarily so he could experience the diverse demands of men on this world.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,07:26) Joseph and Mary were married when Jesus was conceived the natural way. As parents they had been chosen from a number of people that could have been suitable. Jesus was born on August 21, 7 BC. He was the first of 7 brothers and sisters. James April 2, 3 BC…..Mariam July 11, 2 BC….Joseph March 16, AD 1…Simon April 14, AD 2….Jude June 24, AD 5 Amos Jan 9, AD 7…….
When Jesus was 14, his father Joseph died in a construction accident on September 25 while working on Herods palace. He fell off a scaffolding and died latter.
Mary was pregnate with her 8th child when Joseph died. Ruth was born April 17, AD 9.
Jesus became the head of the household and proved to be a loyal father figure to his siblings and supported the family until he was in his 20's when official responsibility was turned over to James. After Joseph died the family struggled in basic poverty for a time, but even in his later years Jesus continued to send money to support his family.
Jesus worked at the Zebadee boat shop off and on. He was a master carpenter and even improved upon boat designs. He also worked as a tutor and caravan guide as well as other odd jobs for short periods, primarily so he could experience the diverse demands of men on this world.
Colter
The Quran which the Urantiabook does not in any way say anything negative about disagrees:33 Allah chose Adam, Nuh (Noah), the family of Ibrahim (Abraham) and the family of 'Imran above the 'Alamin (mankind and jinn) (of their times).
34 Offspring, one of the other, and Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
35 (Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: “O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing.”
36 Then when she gave birth to her [child Maryam (Mary)], she said: “O my Lord! I have given birth to a female child,” – and Allah knew better what she brought forth, – “And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast.”
37 So her Lord (Allah) accepted her with goodly acceptance. He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of Zakariya (Zachariya). Every time he entered Al-Mihrab to (visit) her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: “O Maryam (Mary)! From where have you got this?” She said, “This is from Allah.” Verily, Allah provides sustenance to whom He wills, without limit.”
This shows that Mary was specificaly chosen. I still find it very interesting that out of the massive collection of UB writings there is VERY LITTLE about the Quran or Islam, that kind of silence causes me to believe the UB was a human invention.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,03:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 01 2013,21:13) Mike B. Your word is not your title, but your literal word.
Wakeup my friend,I believe that Jesus was literally the firstborn of every creature and the beginning of the creation by God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)
I believe he existed with much glory alongside his and our God before the universe was created through him. (John 17:5, Hebrews 1:2)
I believe that 99% of the time, the phrase “the word of God” refers simply to words that God has spoken (or even “thought” – since the Hebrews often wrote “He said” to convey something that someone simply thought to himself).
I believe that on rare occasions (John 1:1, 1:14, 1 John 1:1-2, Rev 19:13, and possibly some others like Heb 11:3), the phrase “the Word of God” refers to the title of God's main spokesman, Jesus Christ.
I don't believe John 1:1 and 1:14 refer to a LITERAL word from God's mouth that both was God and was with God in the beginning. And I don't believe a LITERAL word from God's mouth is what became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
I believe these verses refer to the fleshly manifestation of a powerful spirit being who had already been existing in the form of God from ancient times, before being made in the likeness of a human being. (Micah 5:2, Psalm 2:7, Proverbs 30:4, Phil 2:6-8)
And I have no scriptural reason to believe that this powerful spirit being did NOT have the name “Jesus”, and the title “the Word of God”, since the time he was created as the first of God's works. (Proverbs 8:22-31, 1 Cor 1:24)
peace,
mike
MikeB.QUOTE:
I believe that Jesus was literally the firstborn of every creature and the beginning of the creation by God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14) UNQUOTE:IF HE WAS A CREATURE BORN;THAN HE CAN NOT BE FROM EVERLASTING. BIRTH MEANS THERE IS A BEGINNING OF EXISTANCE.
PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF THE MAN JESUS;HE WAS BORN LIKE US CREATURES.FLESH.
THE WORD;MEANING WHATEVER GOD IS SPEAKING
IS HIS WORD. IT DOES NOT MEAN JUST ONE SINGLE WORD.Mike: if some one promises you his word; does it mean just one word? Or a promise consisting of many words.IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATING THINGS;GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND *HE* DID THE WORK.
GODS WORD IS A LIVING BEING WITH *THE POWER OF CREATING*. GOD AND HIS WORD HAD GLORY TOGETHER
FROM EVERLASTING.GODS WORD HAS LIFE IN HIM SELF.wakeup.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,08:03) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,07:26) Joseph and Mary were married when Jesus was conceived the natural way. As parents they had been chosen from a number of people that could have been suitable. Jesus was born on August 21, 7 BC. He was the first of 7 brothers and sisters. James April 2, 3 BC…..Mariam July 11, 2 BC….Joseph March 16, AD 1…Simon April 14, AD 2….Jude June 24, AD 5 Amos Jan 9, AD 7…….
When Jesus was 14, his father Joseph died in a construction accident on September 25 while working on Herods palace. He fell off a scaffolding and died latter.
Mary was pregnate with her 8th child when Joseph died. Ruth was born April 17, AD 9.
Jesus became the head of the household and proved to be a loyal father figure to his siblings and supported the family until he was in his 20's when official responsibility was turned over to James. After Joseph died the family struggled in basic poverty for a time, but even in his later years Jesus continued to send money to support his family.
Jesus worked at the Zebadee boat shop off and on. He was a master carpenter and even improved upon boat designs. He also worked as a tutor and caravan guide as well as other odd jobs for short periods, primarily so he could experience the diverse demands of men on this world.
Colter
The Quran which the Urantiabook does not in any way say anything negative about disagrees:33 Allah chose Adam, Nuh (Noah), the family of Ibrahim (Abraham) and the family of 'Imran above the 'Alamin (mankind and jinn) (of their times).
34 Offspring, one of the other, and Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
35 (Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: “O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing.”
36 Then when she gave birth to her [child Maryam (Mary)], she said: “O my Lord! I have given birth to a female child,” – and Allah knew better what she brought forth, – “And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast.”
37 So her Lord (Allah) accepted her with goodly acceptance. He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of Zakariya (Zachariya). Every time he entered Al-Mihrab to (visit) her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: “O Maryam (Mary)! From where have you got this?” She said, “This is from Allah.” Verily, Allah provides sustenance to whom He wills, without limit.”This shows that Mary was specificaly chosen. I still find it very interesting that out of the massive collection of UB writings there is VERY LITTLE about the Quran or Islam, that kind of silence causes me to believe the UB was a human invention.
Islam is one of many evolved religion. As of now there hasn't been much serious scolorly analysis of the Koran because of the violent defense of the book by believers.The revelators of the UB do seem to give light treatment of Islam perhaps for very good reasons that one could only speculate on. Islam is an anti-Christ religion in that it denies the true office of the Creator Son. Islam seems hell bent on forcing a cataclysmic show down between the two religions. I believe that still more terrible destruction is yet to come on this world.
Birth and Infancy of Jesus
(1344.1) 122:0.1 IT WILL hardly be possible fully to explain the many reasons which led to the selection of Palestine as the land for Michael’s bestowal, and especially as to just why the family of Joseph and Mary should have been chosen as the immediate setting for the appearance of this Son of God on Urantia.
(1344.2) 122:0.2 After a study of the special report on the status of segregated worlds prepared by the Melchizedeks, in counsel with Gabriel, Michael finally chose Urantia as the planet whereon to enact his final bestowal. Subsequent to this decision Gabriel made a personal visit to Urantia, and, as a result of his study of human groups and his survey of the spiritual, intellectual, racial, and geographic features of the world and its peoples, he decided that the Hebrews possessed those relative advantages which warranted their selection as the bestowal race. Upon Michael’s approval of this decision, Gabriel appointed and dispatched to Urantia the Family Commission of Twelve — selected from among the higher orders of universe personalities — which was intrusted with the task of making an investigation of Jewish family life. When this commission ended its labors, Gabriel was present on Urantia and received the report nominating three prospective unions as being, in the opinion of the commission, equally favorable as bestowal families for Michael’s projected incarnation.
(1344.3) 122:0.3 From the three couples nominated, Gabriel made the personal choice of Joseph and Mary, subsequently making his personal appearance to Mary, at which time he imparted to her the glad tidings that she had been selected to become the earth mother of the bestowal child.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,15:51) IF HE WAS A CREATURE BORN;THAN HE CAN NOT BE FROM EVERLASTING. BIRTH MEANS THERE IS A BEGINNING OF EXISTANCE.
Jesus is not from everlasting. I know that his ORIGINS are from days of old……. from ancient times. (Micah 5:2)Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,15:51) GODS WORD IS A LIVING BEING WITH *THE POWER OF CREATING*. GOD AND HIS WORD HAD GLORY TOGETHER
FROM EVERLASTING.GODS WORD HAS LIFE IN HIM SELF.
Okay. Take away the words “from everlasting” and “power of creating”, and you are talking about Jesus Christ.JESUS is a living being who doesn't necessarily have the “power of creating”, but IS the one through whom God, alone and by Himself, created all things.
JESUS is the Word who had glory alongside God before the world began.
And JESUS was granted by his Father to have life in him also.
You are attributing many things to an unknown “living being” who is someone OTHER THAN the Father. Attribute those things to Jesus like the Bible does.
Wakeup, since you think the Word is a living being other than the Father, how do you translate John 1:1c?
And who or what exactly was made flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son?
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 02 2013,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,04:24)
……..must I believe in your UB in order to make that passing?
No!!! The UB is a revelation not a requirement. Salvation is a personal matter between the individual and God, anywhere, in any age, from any religious tradition that recognizes seeks God.
Then there is really no need for me to read the UB, or to give it a second thought, right?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,11:35) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 02 2013,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,04:24)
……..must I believe in your UB in order to make that passing?
No!!! The UB is a revelation not a requirement. Salvation is a personal matter between the individual and God, anywhere, in any age, from any religious tradition that recognizes seeks God.
Then there is really no need for me to read the UB, or to give it a second thought, right?
Not unless you want to learn more. I'm a seeker of truth, something is true and I'm in search of that. After my spiritual rebirth I became compelled to search for truth. I never did believe the older parts of the bible. I used to sit in church and listen to the preacher teach human sacrifice and would wonder how such ideas ever came to be.But most people are lazy and don't really want to venture out of their comfort zone.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,12:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,11:35) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 02 2013,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,04:24)
……..must I believe in your UB in order to make that passing?
No!!! The UB is a revelation not a requirement. Salvation is a personal matter between the individual and God, anywhere, in any age, from any religious tradition that recognizes seeks God.
Then there is really no need for me to read the UB, or to give it a second thought, right?
Not unless you want to learn more. I'm a seeker of truth, something is true and I'm in search of that. After my spiritual rebirth I became compelled to search for truth. I never did believe the older parts of the bible. I used to sit in church and listen to the preacher teach human sacrifice and would wonder how such ideas ever came to be.But most people are lazy and don't really want to venture out of their comfort zone.
Colter
Then why do you believe God sacrificed Jesus?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,11:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,15:51) IF HE WAS A CREATURE BORN;THAN HE CAN NOT BE FROM EVERLASTING. BIRTH MEANS THERE IS A BEGINNING OF EXISTANCE.
Jesus is not from everlasting. I know that his ORIGINS are from days of old……. from ancient times. (Micah 5:2)Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,15:51) GODS WORD IS A LIVING BEING WITH *THE POWER OF CREATING*. GOD AND HIS WORD HAD GLORY TOGETHER
FROM EVERLASTING.GODS WORD HAS LIFE IN HIM SELF.
Okay. Take away the words “from everlasting” and “power of creating”, and you are talking about Jesus Christ.JESUS is a living being who doesn't necessarily have the “power of creating”, but IS the one through whom God, alone and by Himself, created all things.
JESUS is the Word who had glory alongside God before the world began.
And JESUS was granted by his Father to have life in him also.
You are attributing many things to an unknown “living being” who is someone OTHER THAN the Father. Attribute those things to Jesus like the Bible does.
Wakeup, since you think the Word is a living being other than the Father, how do you translate John 1:1c?
And who or what exactly was made flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son?
Mike B.Jesus is not from everlasting. I know that his ORIGINS are from days of old……. from ancient times. (Micah 5:2)
UNQUOTE:WAS THERE A TIME WHEN GOD WAS WITHOUT HIS WORD? IF NOT;THAN HIS WORD IS FROM EVERLASTING
WITH GOD; BECAUSE GOD IS FROM EVERLASTING.JOHN 1:1. IN *THE BEGINNING* WAS THE WORD—–
WHY THE BEGINNING? IT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A BEGINNING WHEN GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD TO DO HIS JOB;TO *START* CREATING.
ALL THAT IS CREATED, HAVE A BEGINNING.Okay. Take away the words “from everlasting” and “power of creating”, and you are talking about Jesus Christ.UNQUOTE:
I DONT DISAGREE THAT JESUS MADE ALL THINGS.
WHAT I DISAGREE WITH IS THAT HIS NAME THEN; WAS JESUS; THIS IS NOT THE CASE,BECAUSE THAT NAME WAS GOTTEN AFTER HIS BIRTH,NOT BEFORE.
HE WAS A BEING WITH GOD: BROUGHT FORTH FROM GOD;BUT HIS NAME WAS NOT JESUS.THIS BEING: HUMBLED HIMSELF, AND WAS MADE FLESH.
ONLY NOW HIS NAME IS JESUS.(BUT THE SAME WORD OF GOD).JESUS is a living being who doesn't necessarily have the “power of creating”, but IS the one through whom God, alone and by Himself, created all things.UNQUOTE.
THE WILL AND POWER COMES FROM GOD,AND HIS WORD DOES ALL THE WORK.THE WORD OF GOD ALWAYS OBEY'S GOD. THE WORD CAN NOT DO IT HIS OWN WAY.
JESUS is the Word who had glory alongside God before the world began.UNQUOTE:
THIS IS TRUE BUT NOT ACCURATE.
THE WORD(not jesus) HAD GLORY WITH GOD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. ALTOUGHT THE WORD IS ALSO JESUS BUT, THAT NAME WAS ONLY WHEN HE WAS IN THE FLESH.And JESUS was granted by his Father to have life in him also.UNQUOTE:
AGREE.
You are attributing many things to an unknown “living being” who is someone OTHER THAN the Father. Attribute those things to Jesus like the Bible does.UNQUOTE:
GOD *BROUGHT FORTH* HIS WORD from inside him out,AND GAVE HIM A SHAPE LIKE HIM. NOW WE SEE TWO;BUT THE TRUTH IS
HE IS PART OF GOD,THE ONE GOD.I CAN NOT GIVE MY WORD A SHAPE;LOOKING LIKE ME.
BUT STILL;MY WORD IS THE IMAGE OF ME.
IF I AM A LIAR SPEAKING LIES ALL MY LIFE;
THAT WOULD BE THE IMAGE THAT I PROJECT OF ME.
AS WAKEUP THE LIAR.Wakeup, since you think the Word is a living being other than the Father, how do you translate John 1:1c?UNQUOTE:
PLEASE SEE ABOVE.
And who or what exactly was made flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son?UNQUOTE:
GOD SPEAKING IN HEAVEN,HIS WORD WOULD BE IN SPIRIT. GOD SPEAKING ON EARTH;HIS WORD WAS IN THE FLESH SO WE HUMANS CAN SEE HIM AND TOUCH HIM.AND HE ALSO WAS GIVEN THE NAME JESUS.
THE IMAGE OF GOD. WE SEE GOD IN JESUS,NOT NECESSARY HIS LOOKS,BUT HIS PERSONALITY.wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,11:17) Islam is one of many evolved religion. As of now there hasn't been much serious scolorly analysis of the Koran because of the violent defense of the book by believers. The revelators of the UB do seem to give light treatment of Islam perhaps for very good reasons that one could only speculate on. Islam is an anti-Christ religion in that it denies the true office of the Creator Son. Islam seems hell bent on forcing a cataclysmic show down between the two religions. I believe that still more terrible destruction is yet to come on this world.
Birth and Infancy of Jesus
(1344.1) 122:0.1 IT WILL hardly be possible fully to explain the many reasons which led to the selection of Palestine as the land for Michael’s bestowal, and especially as to just why the family of Joseph and Mary should have been chosen as the immediate setting for the appearance of this Son of God on Urantia.
(1344.2) 122:0.2 After a study of the special report on the status of segregated worlds prepared by the Melchizedeks, in counsel with Gabriel, Michael finally chose Urantia as the planet whereon to enact his final bestowal. Subsequent to this decision Gabriel made a personal visit to Urantia, and, as a result of his study of human groups and his survey of the spiritual, intellectual, racial, and geographic features of the world and its peoples, he decided that the Hebrews possessed those relative advantages which warranted their selection as the bestowal race. Upon Michael’s approval of this decision, Gabriel appointed and dispatched to Urantia the Family Commission of Twelve — selected from among the higher orders of universe personalities — which was intrusted with the task of making an investigation of Jewish family life. When this commission ended its labors, Gabriel was present on Urantia and received the report nominating three prospective unions as being, in the opinion of the commission, equally favorable as bestowal families for Michael’s projected incarnation.
(1344.3) 122:0.3 From the three couples nominated, Gabriel made the personal choice of Joseph and Mary, subsequently making his personal appearance to Mary, at which time he imparted to her the glad tidings that she had been selected to become the earth mother of the bestowal child.
Your response actually doesn't concur with what the Urantia book does say and it never refers to Islam orMuhammad as any sort of anti-Christ. In fat Islam is emphatic that Jesus is “The Christ” which is the TRUE OFFICE he was called to fulfill.It seemsyou have made speculation and conjecture about the Quran which would not be needed had the Urantia book been a product of other worldly beings
Islam has the LARGEST single denomination of Believers on the Planet hardly something other worldly being would have left out, There is absolutely no criticism of any of the Quran in the Urantia Book and theonly comment tht attemptsto criticise is that ISLAM rejects the trinity which th UB promotes as an ADVANCED teaching although the UB agrees that the way the Muslims Worship is the PUREST and HIGHEST form of Worship.
There is massive criticism of Judaism and Christianity but when it comes to Islam almost complete silence but the UB states:
What Yahweh, the volcano spirit, was to the Jewish Semites, the Kaaba stone became to their Arabic cousins.
This is false: No Muslim worships th Kaaba stone or calls it God so why i there wrong info in th UB?
But someone tried to read a little of th Quran:
1051.4) 95:7.6 The strength of Islam has been its clear-cut and well-defined presentation of Allah as the one and only Deity; its weakness, the association of military force with its promulgation, together with its degradation of woman. But it has steadfastly held to its presentation of the One Universal Deity of all, “who knows the invisible and the visible. He is the merciful and the compassionate.” “Truly God is plenteous in goodness to all men.” “And when I am sick, it is he who heals me.” “For whenever as many as three speak together, God is present as a fourth,” for is he not “the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden”?
Does this seem likethe report of some other worldly being or a quick reference of what seemed to be available to know?
mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Okay. Take away the words “from everlasting” and “power of creating”, and you are talking about Jesus Christ. Mike,
READ:
KJV:
MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
DRB:
AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.
THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES ARE THE MOST RELIABLE!
THAT'S REGARDING THE WORD THE SON'S SPIRIT,
NOT YET JESUS!HE OFFICIALLY BECAME JESUS 2000 YEARS AGO! before that time HE WAS A SPIRIT, ETERNALLY ONE WITH THE FATHER!
NOW READ THIS:
Hebrews 1:10 HE ALSO SAYS TO THE SON,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
and made the heavens with your hands.
The above Mike, regarding the Son's spirit, as the word
THE ONLY TRIUNE MEDIATOR CREATOR GOD!
and as you can read he created the heavens WITH HIS HANDS!
ALSO HE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH!
SO YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THE FOUNDATION IS THE VERY FIRST ELEMENT TO ESTABLISH, REGARDING EARTHLY PROJECTS, BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE!
IN THIS CASE THE CREATION OF OUR WORLD, GOD'S EMEMIES'
SO IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE MIKE, THE FOUNDATION WAS THE MEDIATOR TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO CREATE BY HIM OUR WORLD!
SINCE LUCIFER/SATAN COMMENCED A WAR WITH GOD FOR MANHOOD, TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,11:17)
You say you don't pray but the UB says you shouldPrayer is a part of the divine plan for making over that which is into that which ought to be. (1621.1) 144:4.2
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,18:04) Colter,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
You say you don't pray but the UB says you shouldPrayer is a part of the divine plan for making over that which is into that which ought to be. (1621.1) 144:4.2
I never said I didn't pray, you are lying again which is permissible in Islam.The size of Islam does not mean it has its facts right or that Muhamed was a true prophet, it is a violent, militant religion that has a large appeal to economically depressed nations and people. Buddhism is a huge religion with no God at all, so size is errelivent.
Islam denys the divinity of Christ, his pre existence, resurrection and authority.
Kaaba is a fetish, Millions of Muslims make the pilgrimage to run circles around the stone, call that what you want, but I don't trust anything you say because you lie.
Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,13:57) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,12:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,11:35) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 02 2013,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,04:24)
……..must I believe in your UB in order to make that passing?
No!!! The UB is a revelation not a requirement. Salvation is a personal matter between the individual and God, anywhere, in any age, from any religious tradition that recognizes seeks God.
Then there is really no need for me to read the UB, or to give it a second thought, right?
Not unless you want to learn more. I'm a seeker of truth, something is true and I'm in search of that. After my spiritual rebirth I became compelled to search for truth. I never did believe the older parts of the bible. I used to sit in church and listen to the preacher teach human sacrifice and would wonder how such ideas ever came to be.But most people are lazy and don't really want to venture out of their comfort zone.
Colter
Then why do you believe God sacrificed Jesus?
God didn't sacrifice Jesus, that idea is a pagan interpretation of the cross combined with former thinking from Judaism.The cross was a shared human experience based on the astonishing love that Michael has for his children. God is changeless, he has always been forgiving, the death of his blameless Son was never required.
Besides, one reason Jesus gave for allowing himself to be killed was so the he could resurrect his human form from the dead, proving his authority.
Colter
The Machiventa Incarnation
(1014.3) 93:1.1 Revealed truth was threatened with extinction during the millenniums which followed the miscarriage of the Adamic mission on Urantia. Though making progress intellectually, the human races were slowly losing ground spiritually. About 3000 B.C. the concept of God had grown very hazy in the minds of men.
(1014.4) 93:1.2 The twelve Melchizedek receivers knew of Michael’s impending bestowal on their planet, but they did not know how soon it would occur; therefore they convened in solemn council and petitioned the Most Highs of Edentia that some provision be made for maintaining the light of truth on Urantia. This plea was dismissed with the mandate that “the conduct of affairs on 606 of Satania is fully in the hands of the Melchizedek custodians.” The receivers then appealed to the Father Melchizedek for help but only received word that they should continue to uphold truth in the manner of their own election “until the arrival of a bestowal Son,” who “would rescue the planetary titles from forfeiture and uncertainty.”
(1014.5) 93:1.3 And it was in consequence of having been thrown so completely on their own resources that Machiventa Melchizedek, one of the twelve planetary receivers, volunteered to do that which had been done only six times in all the history of Nebadon: to personalize on earth as a temporary man of the realm, to bestow himself as an emergency Son of world ministry. Permission was granted for this adventure by the Salvington authorities, and the actual incarnation of Machiventa Melchizedek was consummated near what was to become the city of Salem, in Palestine. The entire transaction of the materialization of this Melchizedek Son was completed by the planetary receivers with the co-operation of the Life Carriers, certain of the Master Physical Controllers, and other celestial personalities resident on Urantia.
2. The Sage of Salem
(1015.1) 93:2.1 It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”(1015.2) 93:2.2 When the herder had recovered from his astonishment, and after he had plied this stranger with many questions, he asked Melchizedek to sup with him, and this was the first time in his long universe career that Machiventa had partaken of material food, the nourishment which was to sustain him throughout his ninety-four years of life as a material being.
(1015.3) 93:2.3 And that night, as they talked out under the stars, Melchizedek began his mission of the revelation of the truth of the reality of God when, with a sweep of his arm, he turned to Amdon, saying, “El Elyon, the Most High, is the divine creator of the stars of the firmament and even of this very earth on which we live, and he is also the supreme God of heaven.”
(1015.4) 93:2.4 Within a few years Melchizedek had gathered around himself a group of pupils, disciples, and believers who formed the nucleus of the later community of Salem. He was soon known throughout Palestine as the priest of El Elyon, the Most High, and as the sage of Salem. Among some of the surrounding tribes he was often referred to as the sheik, or king, of Salem. Salem was the site which after the disappearance of Melchizedek became the city of Jebus, subsequently being called Jerusalem.
(1015.5) 93:2.5 In personal appearance, Melchizedek resembled the then blended Nodite and Sumerian peoples, being almost six feet in height and possessing a commanding presence. He spoke Chaldean and a half dozen other languages. He dressed much as did the Canaanite priests except that on his breast he wore an emblem of three concentric circles, the Satania symbol of the Paradise Trinity. In the course of his ministry this insignia of three concentric circles became regarded as so sacred by his followers that they never dared to use it, and it was soon forgotten with the passing of a few generations.
(1015.6) 93:2.6 Though Machiventa lived after the manner of the men of the realm, he never married, nor could he have left offspring on earth. His physical body, while resembling that of the human male, was in reality on the order of those especially constructed bodies used by the one hundred materialized members of Prince Caligastia’s staff except that it did not carry the life plasm of any human race. Nor was there available on Urantia the tree of life. Had Machiventa remained for any long period on earth, his physical mechanism would have gradually deteriorated; as it was, he terminated his bestowal mission in ninety-four years long before his material body had begun to disintegrate.
(1016.1) 93:2.7 This incarnated Melchizedek received a Thought Adjuster, who indwelt his superhuman personality as the monitor of time and the mentor of the flesh, thus gaining that experience and practical introduction to Urantian problems and to the technique of indwelling an incarnated Son which enabled this spirit of the Father to function so valiantly in the human mind of the later Son of God, Michael, when he appeared on earth in the likeness of mortal flesh. And this is the only Thought Adjuster who ever functioned in two minds on Urantia, but both minds were divine as well as human.
(1016.2) 93:2.8 During the incarnation in the flesh, Machiventa was in full contact with his eleven fellows of the corps of planetary custodians, but he could not communicate with other orders of celestial personalities. Aside from the Melchizedek receivers, he had no more contact with superhuman intelligences than a human being.” UB 1955
Colter
Ironically, Lucifer and his followers lost faith in the Triune manifestation of the I AM. I hadn't really thought about it but the anti-Trinity crowd makes some of the same arguments as Lucifer.
The Leaders of Rebellion
(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you.” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned “upon the holy mountain of God,” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.
(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, “did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, ‘the Judge rebuke you.’” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.
(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness.” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!”
(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The “devil” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.
(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.
(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, “Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age.” Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: “And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.”
The Lucifer Manifesto
(603.2) 53:3.1 Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
(603.3) 53:3.2 1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
(603.4) 53:3.3 2. The universe government of the Creator Son — Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
(603.5) 53:3.4 Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days — “foreign potentates” — to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
(603.6) 53:3.5 He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
(604.1) 53:3.6 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
(604.2) 53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,21:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,18:04) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,11:17)
You say you don't pray but the UB says you shouldPrayer is a part of the divine plan for making over that which is into that which ought to be. (1621.1) 144:4.2
I never said I didn't pray, you are lying again which is permissible in Islam.The size of Islam does not mean it has its facts right or that Muhamed was a true prophet, it is a violent, militant religion that has a large appeal to economically depressed nations and people. Buddhism is a huge religion with no God at all, so size is errelivent.
Islam denys the divinity of Christ, his pre existence, resurrection and authority.
Kaaba is a fetish, Millions of Muslims make the pilgrimage to run circles around the stone, call that what you want, but I don't trust anything you say because you lie.
Colter
Colterdo you not recall the discussion regarding Prayer and Fasting?
If I show you where you said you don't pray or fast will you apologize forcalling me a liar?
What did you say regarding prayer? Last chance to correct yourself.
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