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Constitutionalist: Could you please answer a question for me? The Bible says Abraham was a righteous man. How was Abraham righteous? Was it through the things he did or didn't do in life? Or was it by believing God that he was made righteous? TK (Please, no more quotes without interpretation and understanding along with, we all have Bibles we can quote)
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 21 2009,06:45) Constitutionalist: Could you please answer a question for me? The Bible says Abraham was a righteous man. How was Abraham righteous? Was it through the things he did or didn't do in life? Or was it by believing God that he was made righteous? TK (Please, no more quotes without interpretation and understanding along with, we all have Bibles we can quote)
Enjoy yourself then.1) Abraham kept the law, and in keeping the law he did things within that law which made him rightous, as there were things he did not do within the law which made him rightous.
Why did Abraham kept the law for two reasons:
1) He had FAITH in God,
2) He BELIEVED in GOD.
Therefore he kept the LAW not for works but through faith, and his works were made manifest.
Quote Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Quote Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Romans 4:5-6 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 4:16-17 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Quote Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Galatians 3:8-9 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Quote James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Nick: You are right about the Law, but works of obedience or work for obedience, it doesn't matter, works did not make him righteous. God proclaimed him righteous and he believed God. TK (I truly don't think it was having sex with his maid that made him righteous) IT WAS FAITH!
U r too literal in your interp. God does have a body, and its Jesus in the old test. who was the 4th man in the furnace in daniel. Jesus was the angel of the lord ex 23 the holy spirit is God the Father and Jesus is yeshua and God. Christ will not literally reign on this material world. He said my kingdom is not of this world..He already king of kings and Lord of Lords right now, r u not in the kingdom now. Jesus said the kingdom of God is inside u
A lot of what you say is correct and if you click the link you can read the full debate which covers some of your points. As for your point that the Father has a body, well bodies are finite, but God is eternal and can exist all things.
there is one thing i think you all should consider ;that is that it is God’s almighty war or fight or making all things new,
Christ is his instrument /his general /his right harm/his only true son if you want ,
also understand that the rules in heaven are different from the rules that at the present time are in place ,
so there is a reason for Christ to be the first creation and the only true son of God,there is also a reason why it is him that died on the cross,their is also a reason why he was there in the flames with the friends of Daniel,and with Moses,and when he return there also is a reason why it is him and no one else,
also understand that what Christ do or did he did it in the name of his father ,but also for himself ,so that both can claim victory on all accounts and event this is the glory of the father first and the son second,
so let understand the scriptures in that way and it will bring light to it ,
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