Can both Trinity & non-Trinity be correct?

[NickHassan]

Hi,
False teaching needs no human justification.
The trinity god is not the God of Israel that Jesus worshiped.
Babylonian idols and their harlot source have no place in the body of Christ

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,11:28)

Hi, False teaching needs no human justification. The trinity god is not the God of Israel that Jesus worshiped. Babylonian idols and their harlot source have no place in the body of Christ

Hi Nick,

All truth passes through three stages. (Link)   
   

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
The problem with trinity is that what is taught is not written.
It introduces MYSTERY to what is simple.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,11:58)

Hi Ed, The problem with trinity is that what is taught is not written. It introduces MYSTERY to what is simple.

Hi Nick,

Do the meaning of these names introduce MYSTERY to you?

                                An illustration of “The Trinity”

  Isaiah            …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah’s Salvation”
(this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah’s Salvation”) (1John 2:2)

  Jeremiah        …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High”
(this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because JEHOVAH GOD is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)

  Ezekiel           …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen”
(this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
You can derive and describe babylonian gods all you like.
But for us there is one God, the Father.

[Ed J]

Hi Nick, what Babylonian god?

    HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ

                  One Spirit: GOD

         LORD of Hosts=151 (the AKJV Bible)
         Jesus Christ=151 (The New Testament)
         Holy Spirit=151 (Old and New Testament)
         The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Yes the Spirit is of God and from that Spirit came the Word.
There is no separation just diversity.

But now joined in Spirit with each other and chosen remnants of mankind there are two.
Father and Son

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,16:55)

Hi Ed, Yes the Spirit is of God and from that Spirit came the Word. There is no separation just diversity.

Hi Nick, Quite right!    …I agree totally.

       But this part of your quote is worded 'fuzzy' once again…

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But now joined in Spirit with each other and chosen remnants of mankind there are two. Father and Son

I have a lot more information to produce, but I have to give it slowly because
everyone seems to be stuck on believing they know all there is on this topic.
As I said: we are not going to regurgitate what has been said in the past.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
God is never separate from His Spirit.
He has joined the man Jesus with the Word as Jesus Christ.
The Word is different, as the servant to God, yet one with the Spirit of God.
Men can now share in this eternal unity through becoming one in Spirit with Christ Jesus

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,19:01)

Hi ED, God is never separate from His Spirit. He has joined the man Jesus with the Word as Jesus Christ. Men can now share in this eternal unity through becoming one in Spirit with Christ Jesus

Hi Nick, I agree with all this.

       But I don't agree with this…

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The Word is different, as the servant to God, yet one with the Spirit of God.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
OK
Phil 2
Read JESUS CHRIST as THE WORD

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,19:23)

Hi Ed, OK Phil 2 Read JESUS CHRIST as THE WORD

Hi Nick,

Wrong thread. Please try to
keep the threads different; OK

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[seekingtruth]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2012,19:13)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,16:46)   First let me ask, do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level?   I ask this question, because I believe we should be starting from a point of agreement. Hi Everyone, I would like to see everyone weigh in this premise. Do you agree with me so far? David, T8, Mike, Pierre, Jack, Marty, Wm, George, WJ and anyone else whose name I left out? +1  =  Yes  -1  =   No God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,
After a manner I can agree with you to a point. The Father is the one true “God”, but He has expressions of Himself so that God is “understood” by us in three forms. I just posted this Link which should explain what I believe.

Wm

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,19:22)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2012,01:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,09:41) Discussing the Trinity Doctrine …still results in heated arguments.  And it seems no one ever adjusts their beliefs in the end.   Hi Mike, I'm still working on helping both sides to see clearer. (Link) “My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew,  as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:”  (Deut 32:2) God bless Ed J Ed J. We only have to merge our correctnesses and it is a win win. Thanks Ed J.

Hi T8, quite correct.

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be FIVE IN ONE HOUSE divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).

The Trins see God as three…                        <– An incomplete picture

The non-Trins see God as One…                   <– and Jesus as a smaller version of God

The complete picture  –>                                 <– Merge the two ideas together, and the big picture begins to emerge  

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“And the [HolyCity] lieth “FourSquare”, and the length is as large as the breadth:” (Rev 21:16)
Ezekiel 43:16: And the altar shall be twelve cubits long, twelve broad, square in the “Four Squares” thereof.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[barley]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:20)

Hi Everyone, Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct? Me and David have been discussing if this is possible. I say it is not only possible, but true as well. It can be compared to a “Paradox”. Instead of arguing past misconceptions, are both sides now willing to look at the evidence that I will produce concerning this? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Reason for edit: I added the title into the post.

No, both cannot be right.

They are contradictory.

Neither is it question of view point. As in the fable of five blind men touching a different part of an elephant and describing what they perceive.

See I Timothy 2:4-5

We are to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, then MAN Christ Jesus.

God is God

Men are men

the mediator between God and men is THE MAN Christ Jesus

That leaves no room for Jesus to be God.

The word “god” being a title, not a name, does leave room for there being other gods besides the Creator/Lord/Almighty/most high God

The word “god” referring to some one superior or of prominence or authority.

The God told Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharoah.

Thus Moses was a god, but not “The God”

Sarah called Abraham “lord” or kurios, as I Peter 3:6 states, so in that use of kurios, Sarah acknowledged Abe to be in charge. but that does not make Abe to be “the Lord (kurios) God”, but simply one in authority, some one to respected.

Likewise with Hebrews 1:8 “Thy throne, O god, is forever…”

“The God” calls His son “god”

Why not? why would not the Father call His son after His own name.

Thus illustrating that the trinitarian doctrine and the one God doctrine are not compatible whatsoever.

barley

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2012,11:42)

Ed, just show us how they can both be right.

       OK…

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be FIVE IN ONE HOUSE divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).

The Trins see God as three…                        <– An incomplete picture

The non-Trins see God as One…                   <– and Jesus as a smaller version of God

The complete picture  –>                                 <– Merge the two ideas together, and the big picture begins to emerge  

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“And the [HolyCity] lieth “FourSquare”, and the length is as large as the breadth:” (Rev 21:16)
Ezekiel 43:16: And the altar shall be twelve cubits long, twelve broad, square in the “Four Squares” thereof.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Bump for T8

[hoghead1]

Well, Ed,  have you considered any new ways of  viewing God as he or she is in his or her own nature?  Have you considered anything beyond the classical model of God/  Have you considered the possibility that God is a social-relational being, needs the universe, and is continually changing? Have you considered the possibility that creation is God’s own self-evolution from unconsciousness and mere potentiality into self-consciousness, personality, and self-actualization? Those are intriguing possibilities I am interested in.

[NickHassan]

Hi hoghead 1,

Why build towers of speculation about our God?

There are more important matters like seeking to be rescued from His impending wrath.

[Ed J]

Have you considered the possibility that creation is God’s own self-evolution from unconsciousness and mere potentiality into self-consciousness, personality, and self-actualization? Those are intriguing possibilities I am interested in.

Hi Hoghead1,

The culture you describe is here:
Have you read the book of Urantia?

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