Can both Trinity & non-Trinity be correct?

[Ed J]

Evidence Exhibit 2:       Link to –>    (Evidence Exhibit 1:)    

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,14:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,14:47) Hi Wake-up, “The Word” (Rev.19:13) God(YÄ-hä-vā) named his Son “YA-shu-a”. “The Word” would be a funny name to name a child?   …would it not? “The Word”, however, is catchy name for God's “HolySpirit”(Rev.19:13). Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”), and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”), and of the HolySirit (“The Word”): (Matt 28:19)…hey it fits doesn't it? God bless Ed J Hi ED, It fits suits your AKJV defence. Truth is more important. Show me ONCE in Acts when any baptism into Christ was not in the name of Jesus Christ.

Hi Nick,

The “AKJV Bible” is NOT the issue, but here what is…

(E.) Thank you for agreeing that it runs parallel to,
or in more term “it allows for” the assertion of…

      “Trin” and “non-Trin” are both true.

E. Does this evidence “allow” for the possibility of my analogy?     <– Looks like we agree here

D. Do we agree that this evidence proves my point conclusively?   <– No agreement as of yet

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:14)

(E.) Thank you for agreeing that it runs parallel to, or in more term “it allows for” the assertion of…       “Trin” and “non-Trin” are both true.

I haven't seen any evidence of this yet.  All I've seen is you adding “trin” and “non-trin” into Luke 12:52.

Ed, do you suppose that Jesus was saying 2 would be against 3 but ALL OF THEM would be right?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,01:18)

Ed, do you suppose that Jesus was saying 2 would be against 3 but ALL OF THEM would be right?

Huh?

[mikeboll64]

Luke 12
51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

I want to know if you think Jesus was talking about making a division between people, ALL OF WHOM would be right?  Or do you think it makes more sense that some are wrong and some are right?

[terraricca]

edj

BACK TO SQUARE ONE

[mikeboll64]

I agree, Pierre. While it is admirable that Ed is trying to be a peacemaker between trins and non-trins, we cannot serve two masters. God is either ONE, like the scriptures teach, or He is THREE, like the trins teach.

Both things cannot be correct – and only one of those things is taught in the scriptures.

[NickHassan]

Good one MB.

[Ed J]

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    1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
                    that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

    2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

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                     I need to remind everyone here of our starting point (table) here.      (1,2,3, – F&G – E,D, J)
                     So Far you guys are agreement with me that my Examples listed as:
                     “Evidence Exhibit 1“ and “Evidence Exhibit 2“ are examples of “E“.      (see table below)

       Hi Mike, Nick and Pierre:

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,03:06)

Luke 12 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” I want to know if you think Jesus was talking about making a division between people, ALL OF WHOM would be right?  Or do you think it makes more sense that some are wrong and some are right?

         John 9:39 For  judgment I am  come into this world,
       that they  which see NOT might see;  and that
         they which see might be made blind.
         Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with;
         and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

Congratulations!   Your point “D” supports “J”!   BUT FAILS TO PROVE “F”!
Mike has just gave an illustrative example of the dichotomy F&G.

I'm glad I got your attention now. No clairvoyance on my part.
This was an expected move, that is why I laid the foundation.
The Trinity crowd can assert the same claim you just did (G).

                           Here is the table.

                   1. The definition of “Paradox”
                   2. The definition of “Dichotomy”
                   3. A deeper level of “Luke 12:52”.

3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

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3. Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house(J.) divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).

            F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!
 
             F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong

             G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.

        The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to
       nullify the truth of “The Paradox” (J). which is what I will be illustrating!

The Paradox is:
              J. (T)trinitarians are right  /  (nT)Non-trinitarians are right

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CERTAIN NECESSARY EXCERPTS FROM PAST POSTS…

In this thread, I will be seeking SMALL INCREMENTAL AGREEMENTS
based exclusively on point lettered “E.” to each piece of evidence.

E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence .             <– pointing to the "J" paradox

D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove)         <– pointing to the "F&G" dichotomy

So, based on your agreement with me on point #3 and your understanding of a paradox(1),
the basis of this thread will be based on the Exegetic paradox of Luke 12:52; called “J”.
I will be using these letters and numbers throughout the course of our study here.

Example: Your point is “D” supporting “J”, but it fails to prove “F”.
This will no doubt be what I shall be seeing from the non-Trin “F” crowd.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

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           When you’re one step ahead of everyone else, you’re “a Genius”.
           If you are two steps ahead of everyone else, you are “a Crackpot”.
           If you’re more than two steps ahead, you are “a Delusional Nutcase”.

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Evidence Exhibit 3:

    F.    YOU (non-Trins) say  THEY (Trins)  got the wrong  “God”,       <– see point #F   (table is on previous post)
    G.    THEY (Trins) say  YOU (non-Trins)  got the wrong  “Jesus”.    <– see point #G   (table is on previous post)

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“Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” ~ JEHOVAH GOD  

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2012,03:14)

edj     BACK TO SQUARE ONE

pIERRE, glad you can see me(Ed J) at  Square 1.  I will draw YOU a clearer picture:

J. The Trins see God as three…                         <– An incomplete picture

J. The non-Trins see God as One…                         <– An incomplete picture

עד (Ed)  The complete picture  –>                        <–  J. (T)Trins are right  /  (nT)non-Trins are right              

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“To him that overcometh (as Ed J   ) will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I(יהשוע) also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He
that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” (Rev 3:21-22)

         

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Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
עד (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,03:20)

I agree, Pierre.  While it is admirable that Ed is trying to be a peacemaker between trins and non-trins, we cannot serve two masters.  God is either ONE, like the scriptures teach, or He is THREE, like the trins teach. Both things cannot be correct – and only one of those things is taught in the scriptures.

Hi Mike,

Glad to see you now are beginning to understand the F&G dichotomy!

Matt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

I haven't the foggiest idea of what you're prattling on about.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,03:20)

God is either ONE, like the scriptures teach, or He is THREE, like the trins teach. Both things cannot be correct – and only one of those things is taught in the scriptures.

Hi Mike,

God box graph

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2012,09:47)

Ed, I haven't the foggiest idea of what you're prattling on about.

Stay tuned

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Do you think your formulas and boxes based on the AKJV really add anything to scriptural wisdom?
Certainly the Maji found Jesus by using occult wisdom.
But should we walk that path?

[Ed J]

Evidence Exhibit 3:

non-Trins say Trins  got the wrong  “God”,   (F.)

Trins say non-Trins  got the wrong  “God”.   (G.)
 

G. The Trins see God as three…                        <– An incomplete picture

F. The non-Trins see God as One…                         <– An incomplete picture

                                                                                 <– The complete picture

          “To him that overcometh ( ) will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
          even as I(יהשוע) also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
       He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” (Rev 3:21-22)

                    Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
            but fellowcitizens ( ) with the saints, and of the household of God;
            And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets. (Eph 2:19-22)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 22 2012,12:09)

Hi ED, Do you think your formulas and boxes based on the AKJV really add anything to scriptural wisdom? Certainly the Maji found Jesus by using occult wisdom. But should we walk that path?

Hi Nick,

As I told you before, we are looking into this conflict in different way.
My goal here is to completely illustrate why each view, though correct,
is still an incomplete view of “The Big Picture”; which is ever expanding.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2012,09:47)

Ed, I haven't the foggiest idea of what you're prattling on about.

Hey Nick,

You do see why I have to proceed slowly, don't you? (see Mike's quote)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then (now) face to face:
now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (1 Cor 13:12)

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Evidence Exhibit 4:

 F.   The non-Trins see God as One…                         <– An incomplete picture
   

 G.   The Trins see God as three…                        <– An incomplete picture

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                non-Trins say Trins  got the wrong  “God”,    (F.)

             Trins say non-Trins  got the wrong  “Jesus”.  (G.)

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                      Seeing Jesus at the right hand of GOD

                         Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God   

                            NOTE: View, is a face to face view.

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            The right Jesus with the right GOD

         Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone   ;   In whom all
     the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the LORD:
     In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit,

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[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,15:08)

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then (now) face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (1 Cor 13:12) Evidence Exhibit 4:  F.   The non-Trins see God as One…                         <– An incomplete picture      G.   The Trins see God as three…                        <– An incomplete picture                 non-Trins say Trins  got the wrong  “God”,    (F.)              Trins say non-Trins  got the wrong  “Jesus”.  (G.)                       Seeing Jesus at the right hand of GOD                          Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God                                NOTE: View, is a face to face view.             The right Jesus with the right GOD          Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone   ;   In whom all      the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the LORD:      In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit, .

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The Trins see God as three… <– An incomplete picture

Edj,

There is definitely ONE GOD.

But regarding His spirit,God is a complex spirit.

I Look at God as LOVE,POWER,AND WISDOM'

These three virtues are fundamental,because all creation is founded on them.

I as a trinitarian believe that the FATHER IS GOD'S LOVE ITSELF.

The Son is GOD'S WISDOM.and the Holy Spirit is GOD'S POWER.

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[NickHassan]

Hi C,
The Holy Spirit is OF God.
One Spirit.

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