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Hi All,
Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Jesus was dead, he was raised to life with his flesh not allowed to see decay, where on that day he rose he was begotten by God.
I would like people to explain their understanding to, “this day I have begotten thee”.
“Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee”
Also, can you agree that the Son is called God’s Son because God had begotten him?
I greatly appreciate hearing responses!
Hi All,
So Jesus ALREADY HAD A BODY, he was already a certain kind of “being” and when he as that “being” was raised back to life God begat him and called him His Son.
I do hope that people agree that when you are begotten by God you thus then are a Son of God!
My understanding is that when Jesus, the son of David, came back to life he was exalted being begotten of the Holy Spirit not by measure, just like he had before upon his baptism. By that Spirit in full measure begotten upon him, he is led in all ways by God and thus is a Son of God.
Why we read from Paul in Romans 1 that Jesus is the son of David and is God’s Son according to the Spirit by His resurrection from the dead.
According to scriptures that I read, Jesus is not a Son because of what kind of “being” he is, but rather the being that he is has been begotten with God’s Spirit unto a measure of fullness that causes you to walk in all of God’s ways.
Hi Jodi,
YOU:Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:
ME: Jodi, Jesus “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’HUMAN NATURE, on His death, together with
the Holy Ghost, in Jesus’SOUL, JESUS DIVINE NATURE, BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE, BOTH SPIRIT/ FLESH,
TWO IN ONE UNIQUE FLESH, THUS “THE WORD” and THE HOLY GHOST GLORIFIED AS
JESUS CHRIST!
GODMAN! Asserted in John13:32. John17:21
Well ALSO asserted in John4:36 And he that reapeth(THE HOLY GHOST) receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both he that soweth, (“THE WORD”THE SON OF MAN, GOD’S SEED, Matthew 13:37He that soweth the good seed, is the Son of man. )
and he that reapeth, (THE HOLY GHOST, )
may rejoice together.
(UNITED IN JESUS CHRIST)
37For in this is the saying true: That it is one man that soweth, and it is another that reapeth
Thus ON THE CROSS, JESUS THE SON OF MAN, GLORIFIED AS
JESUS CHRIST IN A UNIQUE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT, became THE SOLE SOVEREIGN RULER TILL PENTECOST AND GOVERNED EARTH EMBODIED IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE:
GOD’S KINGDOM CAME, GOD’S WILL WAS DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, (Luke 17:20-37)
JESUS CHRIST GODMAN ON EARTH!
CONSEQUENTLY:
JESUS DEAD BODY WAS RAISED BY
JESUS CHRIST GODMAN ON EARTH!
Well pinpointed out in
John 10:18, “No one takes it from me,
but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
BEFOREHAND, BEFORE JESUS LEFT THE FATHER, God the Father gave Jesus the authority to take up his life again from the grave where his body lay dead.
The main reason that GOD THE FATHER RAISED JESUS UP FROM THE DEAD, BUT IT WAS
PREORDAINED
Here it is again in John 5:21–22: “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life
to whom he will.(PREORDAINED BY THE FATHER TO OCCUR)
For the Father . . . has given all judgment to the Son.”
So the Son has authority to raise from the dead
whomever he will,
including himself. Jodi!
the fact that HE GAVE HIS LIFE! FOR THE SAKE OF THE FATHER, AS THE FATHER COULD IN NO WAY ACHIEVE IT
ALL BY HIMSELF!
Jesus ALSO says in John 2:19:Jesus answered, and said to them:
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20The Jews then said: Six and forty years was this temple in building; and wilt thou raise it up in three days?
21But he spoke of the temple of his body.
22When therefore he was risen again from the dead,
his disciples remembered,
that he had said this,
and they believed the scripture, and
the word that Jesus had said.
THAT HE RAISES HIMSELF.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
YOU: I would like people to explain their understanding to,
“this day I have begotten thee”.
“Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee”
ME: Jodi the above proclamation was directed to Jesus’ dead body not to Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ, THE SON OF GOD, ETERNALLY WITH THE FATHER,
was already in full glory as GODMAN precisely on Jesus’ death on the cross. Jesus’ dead body was given as a ransom, it fulfilled its task for God’s purpose of eternal life, which could only function immediately on Jesus’ death, simply as through Jesus’ death, truth was revealed. By which truth Satan was removed from the process of the world, his entire evil and corrupted work was annihilated and was locked in hell till Pentecost. The world became the new paradise and the entire human race was more holy than Adam and Eve were before their sin, purified by Jesus’ own blood, purchased by the Holy Ghost, THE SON OF GOD, at least till Pentecost, during which time Jesus Christ ruled earth in full glory,
God’s kingdom came and God’s will was done on earth as it is in heaven. Luke 17:20-37
Now once it was revealed on Jesus’ death, that Jesus, the Son of Man, was innocently killed, hence;
NOW GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE HUMAN/DIVINE, SPIRIT/FLESH, with THE HOLY GHOST as JESUS CHRIST, Satan ended empty-handed, and without a cause in relation to Moses’ law, since Jesus fulfilled the law and perfected all God’s work.
Jesus’ dead body was not in the position to be used again for God the Father, it has accomplished its task and returned back to the Father glorified through the Holy Ghost in Jesus Christ, nevertheless, Jesus Christ, GODMAN ON EARTH, THE SOLE SOVEREIGN ON EARTH, as a recompense for Jesus’ dead body innocently killed still in the grave, demanded that this dead body, HIS DEAD BODY, be used again, not for himself though, in a way, He didn’t require it He owned it glorified with the Holy Ghost in Jesus Christ, thus Jesus Christ used Jesus’ dead body, and gave it to the entire human race in Him, all reconciled in Him. How you may ask?
Jesus’ spirit, “THE WORD” for the sake of ETERNAL LIFE, was engrafted as an infinitesimal spirit in all creatures, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. Rev.13 :8 On Jesus’ death/glorification, THOUGH, Jesus’ spirit was no more slain but alive in all creatures both in hell and on earth, he simply toppled Satan’s spirit from all souls, Luke 17:34-37, thus Jesus Christ Godman on earth, by His unique power, preordained by God the Father from the beginning,
raised Jesus’dead body up, well clear in
John5:21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life:
so the Son also giveth life
TO WHOM HE WILL.
EVEN TO HIMSELF.
Thus Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Godman on earth, gathered Jesus’ spirit, His own spirit, originally slain…from all THE DEAD, SPIRITUALLY DEAD SOULS, both in hell and on earth, and INFUSED IT INTO JESUS’DEAD BODY.
Consequently, Jesus’ dead body, ORIGINALLY THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE, came back to life, and
was born again anew embodied with the entire human race,
ALL IN HIM, ALL RECONCILED IN HIM, FOR THE FIRST TIME:
ALL AUTHENTIC BRETHREN IN ONE SAME BLOOD, IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.
THE MAN BORN AGAIN John3:3. Nevertheless, it was not perfect, since only God is perfect. Thus that same evening PRECISELY at 6 Jewish time, evening and morning ONE DAY,
Jesus Christ, GODMAN, and
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE MAN BORN AGAIN FROM THE DEAD/ THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE became
ONE SUBSTANCE
ALL BEGOTTEN OF GOD IN
THE SON
“Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee”
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALL SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST.
THE SON OF GOD
OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER JESUS CHRIST
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
Are you saying Christ wasn’t “begotten” of God when he was born in Bethlehem?
“Yes” or “No” ?
You asked:
I would like people to explain their understanding to, “this day I have begotten thee”.
“Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee”
Also, can you agree that the Son is called God’s Son because God had begotten him?
The Son is not called God’s Son because God had begotten him (begotten from the dead in regards to the verse mentioned above). He was the Son before the begetting from the dead. God had begotten the Son from the dead on that “day” mentioned, resurrection day. He was therefore called the firstborn/begotten from the dead.
Jesus has been the Son of God as long as the Father has been a Father.
I hope that helps.
LU
Hi LU,
So for clarity the “begetting” you equate to representing “begotten” again to life.
Okay, but please explain how “this Jesus” was raised having received the promise of the Holy Spirit?
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Isn’t our glory to be raised from the dead given a new heart of flesh and be begotten of God’s Spirit where it then causes us to walk in all of God’s ways?
Are we not then Sons of God because that Spirit upon us leads us in all our ways?
If we are heirs of God (heirs to receive His Spirit) where we are Sons being led by that Spirit then as we are to be joint heirs with Christ (the anointed of the Spirit), isn’t he a Son then for he too is led by the Spirit?
Are we not in fact told that Jesus was made (Ginomai, came into existence) from the seed of David and was declared to be the Son of God with power ACCORDING TO the Spirit, by his resurrection from the dead?
Yes, we are told such, and we are likewise told,
Jesus was raised from the dead receiving the promised Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
LU, we are said to be Sons of God for being LED by God’s Spirit and we are to be conformed to the image of God’s Son. Such then makes the image of the Son the image of one who is LED by God’s Spirit.
Jesus who came into existence from the seed of David as Paul says, was raised from the dead receiving the promised Holy Spirit and he was declared to be a Son of God with power ACCORDING to the Holy Spirit by his resurrection from the dead, where he became a firstborn of many brethren. We are likewise told that God will open the grave and give us a new heart of flesh and give us His Spirit causing us to walk in all of God’s ways, which MAKES us a Son of God.
Hi LU,
People didn’t behold the glory of Jesus upon him being anointed and sent out into the world because he was some half-breed where part of him pre-existed. They beheld his glory because he was a Son of Man in our Father’s glory through being the only man to have received God’s Spirit within him without measure. They witnessed a man who was being fully led by God to do God’s great work. They saw him as a Son of God because the Spirit of God was upon him and it was LEADING him, for those who are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
He was raised being begotten of this Spirit again, promised to never see corruption, only eternal life. He is the Son of Man returning in God’s glory, one who is an heir of God’s Spirit, where that Spirit is a witness to his spirit that he is a child of God. When he returns he is going to give us of the cup that he drinks from, the ONE SPIRIT, which will cause us to also walk in all of God’s ways and thus we will be as he is, also an heir of God’s Spirit, a joint heir with Christ (the anointed of the Spirit).
Psalm 2:10-12 Now therefore, O kings, show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth. 11 Worship the Lord with reverence And rejoice with trembling. 12 Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!Prov 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son’s name? Surely you know!
John 3:13-15 No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. 14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
Acts 2:33-36 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. 34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”Mat 22:44-46 “Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42: What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They *said to Him, “The son of David.” 43 He *said to them: Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son” 46 No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
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