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Hi Danny,
I’m sorry that you feel “bombarded” with questions. I consolidated them in my last post to you. Here they are again for your convenience, answer when you can:
Danny,
It seems that you haven’t answered some important questions of mine to you. Would you please answer them.
Like this:
*Danny, can you tell me of a higher unity in heaven or on earth? Do you think that the Father and the Son are not united in the rule and reign of creation?
*If a guy named Israel, had a son who he named Israel then Israel would be the name of a father, his son, and a unity-the nation of Israel. Would you agree with that statement? Yes or No.
Many sons are named after their fathers, Danny. Do you agree? Yes or No.
*Danny, who is the Lord of lords here in the OT:
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.
Danny, who is the Lord of lords here in the NT:
Rev 19:16 They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones.”
*The fact that Yahweh uses people as His instruments to carry out His will, doesn’t dispel the Unity of Yahweh nor does it address Zech 11:13. Do you believe that the Son was valued at 30 pieces of silver or the Father was valued at 30 pieces of silver which was used to buy the Potter’s Field?
If I missed any of those answers to the above questions, please show me where you answered them, thanks. LU
Hi LU,
The answers to some of your questions are
located in this thread at post-931742 and post-931776
Please let me know when you read them, then I will answer
the remaining ones.God bless
Hi Danny,
Thanks, I went back and looked at them. I did see them and I did respond to them. I took out one question of my list because you did address it, but the rest remain unanswered, I believe. Please answer these questions. I might try to make them clearer for you:
*Is the Lord Jesus and God the father one? Yes or No.
*Danny, can you tell me of a higher unity in heaven or on earth?
*Do you think that the Father and the Son are united in the rule and reign of creation?
*If a guy named Israel, had a son who he named Israel then Israel would be the name of a father, his son, and a unity-the nation of Israel. Would you agree with that statement? Yes or No.
*Many sons are named after their fathers, Danny. Do you agree? Yes or No.
*The fact that Yahweh uses people as His instruments to carry out His will, doesn’t dispel the Unity of Yahweh nor does it address Zech 11:13 And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”— this magnificent price at which they valued me.
Do you believe that in Zech 11, the Son was valued at 30 pieces of silver or the Father was valued at 30 pieces of silver which was used to buy the Potter’s Field?
That’s all for now. I look forward to your answers. LU
Mike,
You said:
Jesus is not God, Kathi, but one of God’s many heavenly sons – each one created with free will to either obey and align their wills with the will of their God – or reject their God like Satan and a third of God’s heavenly sons already did.
Is Jesus the Son of God or merely a Son of God?
Blessings, LU
Mike,
My point with the coin analogy is about how one side requires the existence of the other side to be the side it is. In other words the Father requires the existence of the Son to be the Father that he is. The Son requires the existence of the Father to be the Son of God that he is. It is together, as in existence, not necessarily location, that they are who they are.
One does not exist without the other. There was never a time when the Father existed but not the Son (whether begotten or not yet begotten). That would be impossible.
Also, back to the coin analogy, if you saw a very valuable and rare heads up coin on the pavement and you only saw the heads side, and you picked it up, would you have picked up a coin.
You would have picked up a coin, not a half a coin even though you only saw the top half.
If the same coin on the pavement was tails up, and you picked it up you would have also picked up a coin, not a half a coin even though you only saw the top half which would look very different than the heads up coin.
In each case you would have picked up a coin, one whole coin having two sides. In each case, that was a coin lying on the pavement but not two different coins, the same coin. It would have looked like different coins but it was the same coin. The coin has two different sides but it is still one coin. Yahweh God is two different persons but is one God. Each person has the same exact nature and value. One is the head of the other. Therefore, One serves the other, obviously, and both are the head of all creatures and all of creation as their God and Lord. That would include all beings on your list of the many sons of God who would be beneath both of them. Embrace that truth, it leads to your salvation.
Berean,
All the texts of the Bible do not say that God created the world by the Son, but there are enough to believe that this is THE CASE and in particular Paul to the Colossians.
Amen! Btw, “by” him and “through” him both mean the same thing. It was “by the instrumentality of” the Son that God, the Father, created the world.
Dia has the usage “by the instrumentality of” when dia is followed by a word in the Greek “genitive” form as opposed to the accusative Greek form. That knowledge is verified here:
It seems that Mike is trying to use “dia” in your verses as if it is with an accusative Greek formed word that follows it. If “dia” did go before an accusative formed word, then these could be used to translate it: through as in: on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
However, the creation verses that you used do not have “dia” followed by an accusative word but by a genitive word. Therefore the “through” that can be used has the meaning of “by the instrumentality of.” At this link, “by” is also an appropriate translation.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/dia.html
I assume that at that link, the #1 “through” is with the genitive and the #2 “through” is with the accusative. There is a list of verses that is provided. One has to know how to find out if the following word after “dia” is accusative or genitive. For that you need to look at the interlinear which can be found at http://www.biblehub.com. Just put in the verse reference to get the English translations then click on “int” on the ribbon at the top. That will take you to the Interlinear where you can see if the word after “dia” is in the accusative or the genitive.
Here is an example of John 1:3
I can help you with this if you get stuck.
God bless, LU
Hi LU,
I answered the last question from your list, also.
The answer is in #post-931742
Can you check that, please?
I will answer the rest very soon.
Till then.God bless
Got it, thanks Danny. I remember reading that you did indeed identify Yahweh as being valued at 30 pieces of silver in the OT and Jesus being valued at 30 pieces of silver in the NT as a fulfillment of the prophecy.
I look forward to your answers to the other questions.
Hi LU,
In this post I will answer the remaining questions from your list.
Is the Lord Jesus and God the father one? Yes or No.
Yes. John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Danny, can you tell me of a higher unity in heaven or on earth?
No. Jesus and His Father are the highest unity there is.
Do you think that the Father and the Son are united in the rule and reign of creation?
Yes, I believe so. God said to His Son: “Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool” (Hebrews 1:13)
If a guy named Israel, had a son who he named Israel then Israel would be the name of a father, his son, and a unity-the nation of Israel. Would you agree with that statement? Yes or No.
Yes, I agree with that statement.
Many sons are named after their fathers, Danny. Do you agree? Yes or No.
Yes, of course.
Hey all, I might be unfairly banned from HeavenNet tomorrow. If you want to see how it all went down, please read post #931993 at the bottom of the “Conspiracy” thread.
The short version is that on April 17th, Proclaimer asked me a question in the very last post on page 3 of our private thread. On April 18th, I directly answered his question in the second post of page 4.
For over 49 days, Proclaimer has been “unable” to locate an answer that was only one post removed from his question. And he has used his “inability” to find this answer as an excuse for not answering my questions to him. And even though I PM’d him the actual post number over a month ago – he still can’t seem to find it…
You can see the actual post number in my PM, right? And here is the post that has that number…
Anyway, despite my answer being one day and one post removed from his question – and despite him having the actual post number – he still just can’t seem to find it.
So I logged on this morning to find this PM from @admin …
So now it seems likely that I will be banned from HN because Proclaimer/Admin cannot find a post that is right where anyone would expect to be – even after being given explicit instructions on exactly where to find it for over a month now.
It seems that Proclaimer/Admin has learned well from his New Zealand Covid Tyrants. If someone isn’t following the approved narrative, just silence them. 😁
Anyway, Dad passed away a couple of weeks ago, and I’m heading out to take Mom shopping now. I’ll try to get to everyone’s posts later today if there’s time – or tomorrow if I’m not banned yet. Cheers
Mike,
I’m so sorry for you loss of your dad. That’s a hard loss. My dad has been gone for almost 14 years. I hope to see him and maybe get a personal tour of his farm in heaven when my time comes.
That’s great that you are helping your mom.
Regarding your concern about getting banned you shouldn’t have to worry about that if you have done what you said but if you are banned, it might be a gift to you as it frees up your weekend to live life in a happier way.
God bless, LU
Mike……Sorry to hear about your Dad, passing brother, i was very close to my Day , and still miss him and my mom too. They lived right next to me , till they both passed away.
Peace and love to you and yours Mike…………gene
Kathi and Gene, thanks for the condolences. Dad lived to 86 years old, and was walking and carrying on normal conversation until the last week of his life. He was very blessed, especially compared to those who are bed-ridden or are locked up inside their own minds (dementia) for years or decades before they pass. We all prayed that he’d go quietly in his sleep, and God answered those prayers. 🙂🙏
Mike,
I’m sorry for the loss of your dad.
My dad passed away 3 years ago from cancer.May God grant you and your family the strength to bear this loss.
God bless
Mike: See Gene, there is a simple answer – but it involves understanding. I’m trying to lead you there.
Here are the facts:
1. Yahweh said He was the ONLY savior.
2. Scripture calls Jesus and many others saviors.
How will YOU reconcile the two seemingly contradictory scriptural claims?
Gene: Simply answer, God who is “in” all things, is the “only” source of “salvation” for “all” things… Saying God the Father uses this or that person, or thing, to bring about his purposes, makes no difference it’s still God, and God “alone ” doing it.
Examples…… God used Sampson , to save Isreal right?, but who gave Sampson “power” to do it ?
David killed Gliouth the Hittite, to save Israel right?, but, who gave David, the power and faith to do it?
I agree with what you wrote, Gene. Our point of contention is this:
1. I believe that although David’s and Samson’s power to save came from God, both David and Samson CAN still be legitimately called saviors.
2. You believe that since their power to save came from God, David and Samson CAN’T be called saviors.
First, my appeal to your God-given common sense…
Gene, your power to exist as a PERSON comes solely from God. Will you argue that you and I are not legitimately “people”, and that God is literally the ONLY actual “person”, just because our power to be people comes from God? Yes or No?
Next, my appeal to scripture…
Gene, you have already implied that Peter, John, and Paul were all wrong by repeatedly saying that Jesus was our savior. Will you also say that even an angel of God was wrong?
Luke 2:8-15… And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
“Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”
So Gene, this one angel clearly said that Jesus was our savior, right? This angel was adorned with the glory of God, right? And then after he called Jesus a savior, a bunch of other angels appeared and praised God for sending this savior to the world, right? And then these shepherds (listen up Kathi and Berean), knowing that words from an angel/representative of the Lord/Yahweh are words from the Lord/Yahweh, and knowing that they can therefore legitimately say that it was the Lord/Yahweh Himself who said those things to them, went to Bethlehem to see this savior that the Lord/Yahweh told them about through one of His many angels/representatives.
So Gene, my question to you is this: After rejecting the fact that Peter, John, and Paul all called Jesus our savior, will you now also reject the words of the Lord/Yahweh Himself, who also called Jesus our savior through one of His heavenly representatives? Yes or No?
Thanks Danny. My Dad also died from cancer. But he only had to take morphine some days, and even then only when he over-exerted himself… and only for the last month of his life. He lived a blessed life, and suffered very little at the very end of it. Hopefully your Dad’s passing was similar.
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